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567:- This portal has been unmaintained since it was created in 2007. The portal has 9 selected articles, 9 selected pictures, and 9 selected quotes, all selected in 2007. In other words, nothing is changing. While Dickens hasn't written any novels in the twenty-first century, he wrote more than 9 novels in the nineteenth century, so that there are obvious possibilities for maintenance. 548:(the association of vital articles and broad topics, was leading to the creation of ten thousand portals) which turns every abandoned portal MfD into an exchange of opinions about what each editor believes to be the portals goals. I am not fluent in English, if I were, I create one RfC so that WP:POG contains more objective criteria. 317:
Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link,
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pending a better nomination, at least. While most biographical subjects do not justify portals, I disagree that none do and there are some sufficiently influential people who could justify it. Jesus and Muhammad have a good claim to being the most written about people in history and would certainly
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The portal isn't the mess that many portals are/were although it does have oddities such as a "Content" tab that just shows a subset of what's on the main portal page.  This portal (like most portals) doesn't get a lot of views and doesn't provide much benefit to readers compared with the article
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mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead. So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links. Try it by right-clicking on this link to
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was clearly vandalised and not corrected for nearly 10 years (and corrected by an editor who was looking at the portal because it was at MFD).  It is better not to lure readers away from articles (that are generally maintained) to a portal that isn't.
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Those new technologies set a high bar for any portal which actually tries to add value for the reader. But this portal fails the basic requirements even of the guidelines written before the new technologies changed the
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subpage shows how a portal's alternative presentation of mainspace content has some promise for better engaging readers; 2) the links to wikiprojects encourage collaboration; 3) etc.
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I have added myself as a maintainer and if the portal survives this MfD I will as an immediate first step add sufficient article subpages to get at least to a total of 20.
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contains 412 articles. If you want the portal to be deleted you'll need to come up with more than a personal prejudice against biographical (not bibliographical) portals.
100: 96: 121:? I believe that all information existing in a bibliographic portal will be the same as the base article. The ideal would be to privilege broad topics, 329:
automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much
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constitute broad topics for portals. Dickens isn't at that level but he is one of the most influential writers in English literature and
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Sure, I can help fix the problem by removing the time-wasting distraction of a portal which adds no value because it is redundant. --
17: 642: 362:... but this portals has been neglected for 12 years, and it has abysmal page views. In Jan–Feb 2019 it got an average of only 652: 641:(unless you think showing readers a random image etc is useful).  This portal hasn't been effectively maintained - e.g. 632: 609: 592: 557: 523: 471: 443: 419: 399: 323: 307: 293: 272: 238: 213: 180: 162: 69: 64: 625: 126: 511: 669: 605: 588: 519: 499: 467: 434: 390: 289: 268: 209: 176: 92: 40: 553: 311: 260: 256: 225: 201: 158: 489:
In any case, we have a comprehensive navbox and an excellent bibliography. What does the portal add this? --
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than a click-for-next image gallery on a portal. Try it by right-clicking on this link to the article
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below.
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due to inadequate traffic to the portal to justify a portal, although there isn't a parent portal. See
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Right now, very little, but deletion is not the way to change that. And more than nothing: 1) the
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and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's
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be showcased on the portal" (my emphasis). It does not say that any number of articles
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etc. In this case, the portal is a decade away without receiving new content.
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per nominator. This is a narrow topic, and an abandoned portal.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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You are quoting selectively: the sentence goes on to say "that
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Knowledge:Miscellany for deletion
talk page
deletion review
JJMC89
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02:16, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Charles Dickens
Portal:Charles Dickens
edit
talk
history
links
watch
logs
WP:POG
Portal:Donald Trump
Portal:United States Presidents
Portal:Jesus
Portal:Christianity
Portal:Karl Marx
Portal:Marxism
Portal:Muhammad
Portal:Islam
Guilherme Burn
talk
17:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Robert McClenon
talk
00:05, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

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