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give options to our readers when it comes to article navigateion. That said I agree portals did not workout as the community though they would but we have them so let work out real guidelines that reflect what's actually going on with portals. Transclusion of a lead or random article in no real way affect the quality of a portal....care in selection of articles that represents the beas we have to offer about a topic is what we are really looking for in portals.....this transclusion stuff is what got us here in the first place.-
502:, what hasn't been addressed much in portal deletion discussions is that a portal is a miniature Main Page, and the Main Page is a labor-intensive effort. Any new portals, and any portals that are kept, should either be intended to be labor-intensive efforts, like the Main Page in miniature, or experiments in automation to see if the work associated with the Main Page can be reduced. If a portal doesn't fit into either of those categories, it isn't useful. 396:
And it's not true that all automated portals are being deleted. The fully-automated clones are being deleted, but there is no deprecation of the automatic transclusion of leads from articles (that's much better than the diabolic farm of content-forked sub-pages), and no deprecation of rotations of
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The main problem with this thinking is that 60 percent of our readers don't see navbox and out of the 40 percent left only 2 percent will ever scroll to the bottom of a page to see said box that has a preview. Best to assume not all navigate the same way or can all see the same thing...so best to
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that this abandoned relic will some day magically attract magical editors who will want to resurrect it. If any editor does want to build a real portal, they will be far better off without this relic and its ancient content-forked sub-pages; instead they should build a modern portal without
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But do note that newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navbox offer most of the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by
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mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead. So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links. Try it on e.g.
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is not based in reality as 90 percent of portals dont meet that criteria and automated portals are being deleted ...time to look at that guideline that is not based in reality. Will redo portal after deletion as the coding is very very
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says that unless automated, the content selection should be updated monthly, or preferably weekly. Even on a monthly cycle, this pseudo-portal has missed over 165 consecutive updates.
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Another catch from the Sea of Abandoned Portals. This one has been abandoned since 2005 as a static page, with one selected article, one biog etc. All the same topics as 14 years ago.
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If the discussions can produce guidelines on how to make a portal which genuinely adds value, then fine. But we still don't need to keep this abandoned portal. --
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However, now that each navbox has built-in preview, it is better for the article selection in a portal to avoid topics which are already in a relevant navbox. --
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I tend to the view that the high proportion of non-update portals reflects the very poor quality of portals as a whole, rather than a flaw in the guideline.
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automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much
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But the big issue is search. Good search is what killed most web portals in the late 90s, and it's still what makes portals largely redundant.
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right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
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It is time to stop wasting the time of readers by luring them to this abandoned draft, and time to abandon the
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If you mean scroll to the bottom of a page to find the a navbox, then the same applies to the portal link.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below.
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than a click-for-next image gallery on a portal. Try it by right-clicking on the article
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's
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No need to scroll anywhere to see that a link has a preview. Just mouseover.
552:- Abandoned draft of a portal, 24 subpages, created 2005-07-04 22:10:27 by 499: 443: 388: 317: 267: 252: 264:"Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects" 235:
In theory, this a broad topic. But in practice, it has not met the
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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File:Old Port of Montreal (French- Vieux-Port de Montréal).jpg
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per
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available since 2015 to users of Knowledge's Android app
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Knowledge:Miscellany for deletion
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Portal:Montreal
Portal:Montreal
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history
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Jo-Jo Eumerus
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19:57, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Larineso
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Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Montreal
Portal:Montreal/Featured montrealer
Mordecai Richler

Portal:Montreal/Featured article
Plateau Mont-Royal

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