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give options to our readers when it comes to article navigateion. That said I agree portals did not workout as the community though they would but we have them so let work out real guidelines that reflect what's actually going on with portals. Transclusion of a lead or random article in no real way affect the quality of a portal....care in selection of articles that represents the beas we have to offer about a topic is what we are really looking for in portals.....this transclusion stuff is what got us here in the first place.-
502:, what hasn't been addressed much in portal deletion discussions is that a portal is a miniature Main Page, and the Main Page is a labor-intensive effort. Any new portals, and any portals that are kept, should either be intended to be labor-intensive efforts, like the Main Page in miniature, or experiments in automation to see if the work associated with the Main Page can be reduced. If a portal doesn't fit into either of those categories, it isn't useful.
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The main problem with this thinking is that 60 percent of our readers don't see navbox and out of the 40 percent left only 2 percent will ever scroll to the bottom of a page to see said box that has a preview. Best to assume not all navigate the same way or can all see the same thing...so best to
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that this abandoned relic will some day magically attract magical editors who will want to resurrect it. If any editor does want to build a real portal, they will be far better off without this relic and its ancient content-forked sub-pages; instead they should build a modern portal without
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