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263:, know that in May you semi-automated the News feature to retrieve pages marked as current events using a regexp of "Terror". That is an improvement that should be made in most portals that have an In The News feature and are worth keeping. (I reserve the right to !vote in the future in which portals are worth keeping.) You made the portal semi-automated with respect to news. Thank you. That doesn't mean that this portal should be kept. It does mean that any portal that should be kept that has a News feature should have it semi-automated if possible, with possibly the ability to do manual updates also. 221:- This is a heavily viewed but unmaintained portal, and is presenting out-of-date information due to its use of forked subpages. I concur with Mark S and NH12. There is no short-term reason to expect that a re-creation of this portal will address the problems. Any proposed re-creation of this portal using a more modern design, and taking into account the failures of many portals, can go to 396:
A highly-charged and highly-controversial topic such as this needs much more diligent scrutiny, which this woefully-neglected portal has never had. Luring readers away from the well-scrutinised head article to this neglected page does a huge disservice both to the readers and to wikipedia's hard-won
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In both the article and category and namespaces, Knowledge's stance on how to handle these highly-charged complexities have been hotly-debated, with numerous pieces of guidance agreed and some contentious practices ended: e.g.
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There is no universal agreement on the definition of terrorism. Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions. Moreover, governments have been reluctant to formulate an agreed-upon and legally binding
184:'s requirement that portals should be about subjects broad enough to attract large numbers of readers and maintainers. This decrepit portal has had over nine years of no steady maintainers and it had a low 62 views 393:, and I find precisely zero discussion of how to apply all that guidance to the portal, let alone any assessment of how the selected topics have been chosen to achieve NPOV. That is scandalous neglect. 280:- If you haven't applied that improvement to any of the four portals that were closed last night as No Consensus, please look at them and decide whether that feature is feasible in them. 259:- Whether the portal updated depends on exactly what you mean by an update. In my view, it doesn't really count as an update in August but a design improvement in May. You, 442:
articles on those topics, and it is difficult enough to achieve neutrality when many editors are not neutral. Portals in such areas result in unnecessary
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that this portal has an inherently contentious subject matter, and that Knowledge should not have portals on subjects that are likely to result in
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section. Portals stand or fall on their merits in the now, not what could someday hypothetically happen with them, and this one falls flat. I
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Sixteen selected articles. One is from March 2013, 12 are from February 2010 and three are from December 2009. None have ever been updated.
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per the nom. This portal has been abandoned for over nine years, save for a few one-off updates by passing editors. It clearly fails
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whether definitions should distinguish between civilian and military targets, and between human and inanimate targets
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's
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The portal last updated nine days ago, when the news section automatically updated.
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whether state actions which meet other criteria should be labeled as "terrorist"
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whether violent resistance to tyranny should be labeled as "terrorist"
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I think it is feasible in all 4. 1 is already done, three left to go.
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Additionally, this is a very poor choice of topic for a portal.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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per nominator: the lack of maintenance clearly fails POG. and
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Portal:Terrorism
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history
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Osama bin Laden
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Portal:Terrorism/Selected biography/8
George W. Bush
Mark Schierbecker
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