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for speedy deletion, when I had any doubt about how to proceed with an article, I would ask for advice at the help desk or place the article on my watchlist to see how experienced authors dealt with it. The award center has led me to read policy pages that I hadn't seen before, and I'm a much better editor for having participated in these challenges. Should some be removed? Absolutely. Should the page be deleted? Of course not. It's a positive contribution to
Knowledge (XXG). I can't buy into arguments like "this is an encyclopedia" because if Knowledge (XXG) was exclusively an encyclopedia, barnstars wouldn't exist in the first place. I fail to see the problem of offering a virtual pat on the back in return for substantial positive contributions to Knowledge (XXG)'s content.
281:- Why are we trying to delete this page? While some users don't like the "award ceremony" part, there are many challenges that require fixing Knowledge (XXG) articles. I just finished up partly expanding an article. Without the award center, I wouldn't have even known of the page. The whole idea of "nuking it" is ridiculious. Why would we destroy something that helps Knowledge (XXG) so greatly? I think a vote would show an overwhelming amount of users who value the award center and would like the page to stay.
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removing the mentioned sections and moving this to mainspace, so the
Knowledge (XXG) community has more say in how the Award Centre works. Things like Article improvement is fine, but things that focus on the quantity of edits, rather than the quality, is an issue that needs to be addressed, and I felt the talk page would have had very limited exposure. I asked Sharkface about this before, and he posted it onto the
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I feel this isn't a discussion about the use of barnstars, it's about the existence of certain challenges that can lead to poor editing, for example, 50 AFD's, 10,000 edits, adopt 5 users, etc etc. Consensus needed to be established here, while you are the creator of this, options discussed are
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I have to disagree with you here. MFD, while largely the time, is for deletion discussion, this page needed to go to MFD. There are large issues with the Award Center, as discussed on my talk page, you may feel free to discuss this there. Additionally, as this has had delete votes, closing this
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to avoid these loopholes. Also, who cares about such shiny things--they serve absolutely no purpose other than recognition of jobs well/not so well (in the case of some poined out by Steve). While I agree there are some value to some, this page needs a complete reform. I'm an
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Furthermore, this page encourages a combination of both good and bad editing. As I have said, if we move this to the projectspace we could establish a broad concensus upon which subprojects should continue. It already functions as one, except
Sharkface has the last say
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I asked WBOSITG to revert his edits.... I'd rather we take action on the subject after more time is spent here discussing what to do. I'm fully willing to suspend the sections until further notice, similar to what I did here. --SharkfaceT/C 21:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
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The move was attempted before and it nearly resulted in the scrapping of the entire page. It was moved back to my userspace so that it wouldn't be deleted. Interestingly, this entire saga took place without any real involvement on my part.
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This isn't about what I told or spoke to them. I've seen this as an issue for quite some time, I decided to take it to MFD today. Nothing to do with what they said.
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Yeah, I went all bold and removed the sections I personally felt were encouraging sloppy, underpar editing or stances in deletion. Feel free to continue.
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