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968:- Reading so many of the above comments saying there is "too much bureaucracy". But "too much bureaucracy" for what? Receiving community recognition? How is receiving community recognition a bad thing? You don't like the process? You think it's too much of a popularity contest? You don't think we "need" the award? There are similar awards? You wouldn't give one? You don't think you would receive one? What do any of these comments have to do with a group of Wikipedians giving awards to other Wikipedians, 808:. Mostly harmless but also useless since it's clear from this MfD that it doesn't have community acceptance. I can sort of understand the motivation, though. In practice RFA is the way we 'reward' good contributors for their service and it could possibly be helpful to have some sort of 'offical' reward for good contributors which doesn't have anything to do with admin tools. Apparently this isn't it. 306:. I'm all in favour of praising people, but this is totally unnecessary bureaucracy. It also has, by its own admission, "no particular requirements" which makes the fact that it is a vote rather than a discussion quite bizarre to me. Finally, participation on the page is very limited so it certainly isn't an opportunity for the "entire community to praise a user" as it claims to be. 994:, which is what this is, plain and simple, bureaucratic, there isn't another way to describe it. I like awards, I think they are great motivators but this type of thing is a flagrant violation of Knowledge (XXG) policy, on two fronts, no less. I would also point you toward something else that Knowledge (XXG) is not, that is, it is 974:? If they see fit to give these awards following "x" process, why the heck should any of us care? Have any other Wikipedians been abused or attacked through this process? Does the process involve something inflammatory? Would this reflect poorly upon the project? You know, I've said before that I hesitate to quote 1061:
Absolutely, I am sure you do. But it's not, there isn't any necessity for such petty bureaucracy on Knowledge (XXG) as is happening at Wikihalo. These people should just run for U.S. Senate and get it over with. As has been said, of course we have necessary bureaucracy, but this stuff is nothing more
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What the...actually, I thought about trying to kill this a while back and never got around to it. Why do some people get halos but not others? Why is there this halo-making process? Why is the whole concept of a wikihalo not so much New Age moonshine? Why, in a word, does this exist? Some process is
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The problem is that people treat the bureaucracy as God. I recently saw a user going around leaving notes for users who had the award "illegally", as he called it, by not going through the process. I have absolutely no objection to the award, but the bureaucracy behind it leads to many issues.
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I hereby give notice under rule 113, section b, subsection iii, footnote j of my intent to strike out Stammer's comment, because he clearly hasn't read the rules of Knowledge (XXG) debate participation before commenting and holds no valid permit to comment on Miscellant for deletion.
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Your last point isn't quite right. Radiant and Raul's nominations were advertised on the village pump; you're correct though that hardly anybody turned up to comment. Let's say, then, that the opportunity was there but the community weren't interested.
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Hmm... You might be right there. Unfortunately it's on Commons, which I don't know much about, otherwise I would IFD'd it. Can somebody with knowledge of Commons determine if the image is properly licenced or not, and if not nominate it for deletion?
1027:, among several other examples of "voting". And by your definition, of bureaucracy, we could inlcude this very page as bureaucratic. After all, can't we trust our admins to delete only that which is appropriate? And yes, I think such an analogy is 338:
OK agreed - an attempt was made for the entire community to participate, but clearly they didn't. Raul hasn't even officially accepted his nomination (though why you need to accept a nomination to get praised is beyond me).
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I like the feeling of satisfaction that someone may get when he or she receives this reward, since there has to be consensus on it, but the whole process is bureaucratic, like the RFA on enwiki. For these reasons, I am
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Yes I do. However, for community awards to work the community must be behind it. That's what this MfD is about, and so far the community seems to most certainly not be behind it. --
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than bureaucracy for the sake of itself. If Knowledge (XXG) had an Assistant Undersecretary to the Assistant Secretary of bureaucracy, this page, coupled with BAP would be it.
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Ok, my previous remark is based on a misunderstanding. Still, I do not see why this should be deleted. It seems a good way to encourage partecipation in the awarding process.
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I was under the impression that derivative images of Wikimedia copyrights were allowed on Commons as long as all rights are transferred to the Wikimedia Foundation. This
998:. The entire Wikihalo process is nothing more than voting on the candidate, hell, it even says "votes" at the top of every nomination. Give me a break, 835: 518: 745:- gawd, RfA is torrid enough, who on earth would want to go through something like it again for fun ?!?! Award is sorta pretty though.....cheers, 818: 17: 934:, unnecessary, bureaucratic popularity contest in the extreme. Shut down quickly and historify with a vengeance and a prejudice. -- 160:
Find a user whose work you admire or who helped you develop as a Wikipedian. Give them a barnstar. Hey, you just participated! :) --
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convention. If the comment is stricken, I propose to nominate it for "Comment deletion review", and if that does not succeed, will
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Where is it written that userpages' content should get the community behind it? Which WP policy forbids "instruction creep"?
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and unilaterally award it to someone I find worthy, just to see what the consequences might be. So I think we should
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not going to vote to stab this article in the head, bury it under 12 tons of molten steel, and then spit on it
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to... um, some user award page or something. Awards are good; giant bureaucracies to implement them is not. --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a
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No, I just expressed a personal preference. Knowledge (XXG) is a collective endeavour. See the difference?
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I like your rationale, though I wonder if that story could be turned towards this discussion, as well? -
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would suggest that such images are quite widespread. I am no expert either though so I may be incorrect.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below.
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More instruction creepy process for process sake. You want to give someone a reward, then do it.--
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I don't know, I haven't seen her try the innocent look in ages. A halo might help though. O:-) --
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This page is a disturbing example of instruction creep... but, Radiant! does deserve a halo! :)
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Per the third edition of the Oxford Rules of Comment Striking, I hereby invoke a 4th Degree
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because we don't need awards that would not be appropriate for Muslims, atheists, etc.
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Award itself is good - keep that. As for the page and its nomination process?
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Tony Sidaway's proposal to strike the comment, under rule 113, as I believe
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If RFA is the way we 'reward' good contributors, then what about people in
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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This is like Espranza such as beareaucracy, friendliness etc.--
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Category:Wikipedians who don't wish to become administrators
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Also delete the 21 pages (including 11 redirects) listed
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necessary on-wiki but not when it comes to award-giving.
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one. I'm sure the community would want to praise her.--
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Let's delete it, though Stammer's idea isn't bad :)
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Miscellany for deletion
deletion review
demon
20:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Knowledge (XXG):Wikihalo
Doc
14:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Xoloz
14:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Niko
Silver
14:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Sean William
14:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
kingboyk
14:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Stammer
14:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Stammer
14:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
kingboyk
15:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Stammer
15:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
kingboyk
15:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Tony Sidaway
15:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
catch 22
Irving Forbush

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