1490:-compliance can be rebuilt by those committed to keeping the BJAODN pages. Without examples of the GFDL problems, a convincing argument for deletion has not been made. "Because I said so" ceased to be a persuasive argument when I left my mother's knee. Now, we have GFDL deletions & BLP decimations while we're expected to accept them because the deleting admin said so. The answer to this is to say: "This far and no further." That's what I'm saying here: This far and no further. *steps off soapbox* Thank you. And when this process concludes, please add it to
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that concerned about the maintenance of BJAODN in the context of the copyright policy and attribution requirments, why didn't you just go over to the billage pump and help to thrash out a proposal which upholds the issues you raised while still maintains it. A simple change to how things are including using merge might have gone a long way to dealing with the perceived problems of the nominator. If anything, this deletion and the speedy deletion of all BJAODN pages is really bordering on
1075:. Major part of WP culture. As anyone who has hung around deletion debates for a while should know "It needs fixing" is not a sufficient reason for deletion. A GFDL-compliant BJAODN is an asset to Knowledge (XXG), as it provides some much-needed light relief to editors, and as such may even be psychologically beneficial (especially when things are becoming heated).
1340:. If you have enjoyed BJAODN and don't wish to see it go, organize with other editors, give a hand now and start implementing the suggestions on how to address the GFDL concerns. Start rebuilding the content and form a proper procedure on adding stuff that is compliant! Action speaks louder than arguments and your opinion will be given greater weight! -
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334:- this page brings some delightedness to Knowledge (XXG), has been around for a long time, I see no real reason to delete it. Why is "the spirit gone"? Could you explain this? Or perhaps look for consensus on the talk page first, this page has become part of wikipedia over the years and it'd be a bit too easy to delete it in one simple AfD.
988:(Moe, or something like that): Slapping an "endorse deletion" on that debate and then walking away will NOT remove the problems of people who want to enjoy the Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense in question. Steps must be taken to resolve, as that debate was already closed; if not, I will simply reopen the debate in three days. —
790:- I for one don't find it very traditional or funny. The GDFL has been clearly stated in this case, and we're trying to run an encyclopedia, not have a system of arbitrary projects. This could easily be exported to a userspace outside Knowledge (XXG) itself, where there is no risk of legal action, and we don't have to police it.--
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15:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC) changed to Keep after seeing that policy is a fickle thing here and can be ignored when enough Admins say so as such I'm giving weight to keeping. I also note that the deletions of the archives is out of process and they should be reinstated until a result of this determined.
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BJAODN so editors can at least start giving credit to the editors. GFDL License can't be ignored. Although it is a major "tradition" on WP, we can seriously do without the bad publicity and the legal threats. If we give credit to the author, fine, no problem, but otherwise I would have done the same
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for the sole purpose of promoting your single-minded view on the matter. Shame on you
Deletionists for your unilaterial action on this matter. It would have taken you all of three minutes to open the MfD discussion, a few more to mass mark all the BJAODN pages as MfD's attached to this. If you were
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To the fellow who said my opinion may be given more weight if I give a reason: I think the burden of proof is on those who wish to delete one of
Knowledge (XXG)'s oldest traditions. I've had enough of people disparaging BJAODN as a waste of time. Heaven knows how many hours I've spent patrolling
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No offense, but wikipedia needs some humor, and I think the articles shouldn't have been deleted until the XfD had finished, for a few reasons. One, how can we prove a copyvio if the pages aren't there? Two, it'd give other people a chance to review it. Three, maybe some people want to keep that
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1371:- We're here to build an encyclopedia, dammit! We are not here to bring teh funny, we do not have a fucking sense of humor - just look at the hundreds of pages of pointless arguments at AN & AN/I! Burn BJAODN down! It will destroy Wiki as we know it! *foaming at the mouth* ˉˉ
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Yeah, I realize the GFDL problems that existed in the subpages - I was actually one of the first people to bring it up many months ago. However, I am missing how the main page of BJAODN violates the GFDL. Nor am I seeing why it is impossible to have a GFDL-compliant BJAODN. ---
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and in reality a clear violation of the intended spirit of both the license and
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1272:- really, keep it. I'm sick of this. I go here to add some hilarious vandalism, and I find that all the subpages are gone. Dig up the old diffs, crack em open, put them back and deal with it. It's a part of Knowledge (XXG) culture folks, get used to it!
1079:'s solution is a very good one, and I for one would like to see it implemented. The only snag with it is attribution for things added into existing articles, though perhaps simply linking to the change's article's history is sufficient in those cases.
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All of the entertaining material appears to have been removed. It's too bad really, these pages were hilarious. One person's garbage is another person's treasure...perhaps such things will live on in the quiet diffs of yesteryear.
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