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information to comets, bridges and airports. That is the disruption - changing hundreds to thousands of articles to inappropriate titles by using endashes where hyphens should be used, and I take strong offense to the word disruption being used in connection with someone who is obviously simply correcting an obvious error in
Knowledge. Disruption is not a word that should be thrown out in such a casual manner. There are disruptions to Knowledge, what I am doing is not one of them, and even if ten people vote that someone is being disruptive in proposing say that France should be moved to F'*&ing Fyz, the closer should be level headed enough to use the closing argument "no consensus", or something, because of the pejorative context of the word "disruptive". As I said before, if someone thinks they need to use the word disruptive in a closing remark, they should not be doing the close. Admins are required to remain level headed, and when they can not do that, they need to recuse themself.
1895:. Not the best RM, I agree – it would have been much better had there been more participation, but reading over it I stand by my closure. The nominator gives a very reasonable rationale for moving the article and in the month that the RM was open (three weeks longer than usual) no one offered a good counter argument (it was pretty much "someone will get around to it sometime"). The one person who actively opposed withdrew his opposition and the other editor to comment (Lihaas) said he would add prose within a week – by the time I closed it, almost a month later, that had not been done and I therefore found the nominator's argument compelling enough for there to be a consensus to move. I will add that I think, because the first RM had so little participation, there should be no prejudice against starting a new RM, but the article should not be moved back unless there is a consensus.
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uphill battle which might not be won, and finally, even a speedy close should not be done in less than 19 hours over the weekend, when
Knowledge traditionally has less traffic. Comets, of the four ways that MOS advocates have been inappropriately applying endashes, is the most inappropriate, because there is actually a naming authority that names comets the same way they name planets - with only spaces and hyphens (after a name is given). In these move requests we always have a half a dozen or so MOS editors who want to enforce their view of how things should be spelled, regardless of common sense. While they made a perfectly logical decision, they came to a completely illogical conclusion. It happens. Someone simply needs to point that out. There is no reason for a few editors to think they have any right to tell all of the rest of us how to spell things.
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anything about airports is misnamed and needs to be returned to its original name. Pejoratives have no place in
Knowledge. We always need to be fair and unbiased and always assume good faith. The closing admin, should this pattern persist, should be removed of their adminship. The closing admin was not capable of forming an unbiased opinion clearly having an ax to grind against the editor opening the RM, and should have had the wisdom to recuse themself from performing the close. There are about 800 active admins, so why would the one and only admin who has an ax to grind against this editor be the one who felt compelled to be the one and only admin to close this RM?
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Articles have half a dozen equally valid choices, if not even hundreds. What is patently absurd is I am trying to get people to end sentences with periods and capitalize the first words in sentences, and there are two or three editors running around insisting on misspelling comets. Obviously there is nothing wrong with fixing them as I am attempting, and obviously it is inappropriate to shut off discussion by pretending there is a consensus to misspell anything. There are
1058:. Obviously airports are spelled with hyphens. There are over 9,000 airports around the world, many of which are spelled with hyphens, but none which are spelled with endashes. This is obvious to anyone who knows very much about airports, and those who are guessing should not be stating opinions instead of facts. The reason this was opened immediately is because the previous MRV was closed as no consensus, with the only admin voting having voted to overturn the close.
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unable to get consensus for your preferred treatment of dashes and hyphens at the manual of style, kindly stop pursuing moves contrary to that consensus. That an unbiased admin came to the discussion and found your approach to be disruptive does not magically bias that admin. Noting that a disruptive request is being closed as disruptive is not evidence of a problem in the close, but of a problem in the request. --
1943:) is not justification for thus naming an article that echoes the layout, but not the prose content, of such articles. I repeat that I would happily support a return to the original name as soon as it can be seen that there is some concerted effort to make the article fit such a description. This is about the principle that an article title should not lead to expectations that are not fulfilled by the content.
320:"Suppose we all decide to use commas at the end of sentences..." is a straw man, since no one uses commas as period-substitutes just because their keyboard lacks an easy way to enter periods. It is not the same in principle or practice. If you want to help, get consensus for a new MOS guidelines on endashes and hyphens before making more of the disruptive move requests. --
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for what he is trying to do, and his continuing repetitive efforts are certainly disruptive to people trying to do normal edits and improvements in line with the guidelines such as the MOS. I had warned him (before these closes) that if he opens any more such RMs I will take him to AN/I and seek a block; yes, it has gone that far, in 3 months of continuing disruption.
357:. Plus it is never disruptive to correct an error. Sure it takes time to address, but that is why Knowledge is a wiki, so that anyone can suggest changes. To define certain changes (when they are correct) as not permitted is absurd. We do need to discuss the endash/hyphen issue, but not at the expense of putting endashes into articles that do not use endashes.
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hurt the credibility of the encyclopedia? Using dashes where hyphens should be used is no different than using commas instead of periods at the end of sentences - in principle. If anyone wants everyone to follow the MOS we need to have it follow common usage. Otherwise we create a conflict between policy and guideline, and in that case, policy always wins.
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The original discussion was proposed and supported by only the proposer, there were 2 others who did not support it. It was then somehow closed citing consensus to move. In the ;ast 2 days again the original proposer is the only one who sticks to the need to mvoe, while two editors agree there was no
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I am stating that the closing admin should not be closing discussions which they are involved in, and that due to the recent interaction with this editor are clearly not able act responsibly. Why would this one admin out of 800 be the one to do the close? This is not a coincidence. Reopen the RM, and
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I didn't want it to be moved and hoped it would work as a
Chronological Summary. I did some work in that direction and if Lihaas wishes to complete that I'd be happy. However it is correct that I withdrew my objection as it seemed the work needed to make it different than a list of event winners did
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and disruption situation here, and calling a spade a spade. The early close was called for by several respondents, and was clearly justified. JHunterJ was perhaps the admin most familiar with the history, so it was obvious to him what needed to be done. Apteva has found approximately zero support
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That is not even remotely possible. All I am asking for is one admin who I believe to clearly be not impartial to allow someone who is far more likely to be impartial to perform the close. A refusal to allow that simply reinforces my supposition that the close was not done impartially. Reverting the
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So no admin who has ever disagreed with you can ever disagree with you again? No, I don't think it works that way. An admin who has impartially disagreed with you before can indeed impartially reach another decision, and might even be able to do so more efficiently. Regardless, refrain from saying I
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that were made by an admin who should have had the sense to recuse themself from closing them. The issue is not who did what but what was done, and was it reasonable. When the issue becomes who did what then there can be no discussion of what is reasonable. Yes the issue will be discussed here there
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Knowledge never chooses something that no one else does. To say that we can is ridiculous - as ridiculous as commas at the end of sentences. I am certainly pursuing the issue at the MOS but the MOS reflects what is current practice, it does not dictate practice, so if someone wants
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Four reasons. As below, a pejorative should never be used in a close, a closing admin needs to be unbiased, and clearly
JhunterJ is not - if someone feels they need to use a pejorative in a close, they should not be doing the close, Snow can not be used when the vote is 4:2, nor can it be used in an
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Which is why I posted my comment as "Endorse close as proposer of move". Accusation of duplicitousness is not appreciated. How on earth can anybody's vote not be biased in support of their own view? That is the nature of expressing opinion in a vote! Note that Lihaas does not identify himself as
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If you will stop trying to focus this discussion on me, I will stop pointing out that you are wrong to do so, and the drama will end naturally. You do not get to select the admins who can or cannot close your proposals, and you do not get to restrict it to the group of admins you believe will agree
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Airport, 4:1 certainly can not be cited as Snow, nor does Snow apply to an uphill battle which might not succeed, not should a pejorative be used in reference to the close. The airport is clearly and obviously misspelled, and it is absurd for a few people at MOS who know
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Seattle-Tacoma International Airport. 4:1 certainly can not be cited as Snow, nor does Snow apply to an uphill battle which might not succeed, not should a pejorative be used in reference to the close. The airport is clearly and obviously misspelled, and it is absurd for a few people at MOS
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It's this "no reason not to go ahead on the assumption that my consensus has already been reached" approach that is disruptive. Yes, the MOS follows what the articles do, but the articles follow the current consensus. Current consensus does not agree with you that using an endash on
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you could get a new consensus. Going after the local consensuses first is disruptive, and simple repetition of your claim that "endash = misspelling" does not make it true. Also, you keep using the word "obviously" to apply to things that are obviously not obvious, as the extensive conversations at
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I thought there was a consensus on this at WP:MOS, based on the discussion there. But to say that how we do things does not have to conform to what we do sounds pretty strange. Suppose we all decide to use commas at the end of sentences instead of periods, would that be acceptable? Would it help or
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better describes the article than the current title, then in retrospect I wonder whether it was unnecessarily cautious to even use the RM procedure for a potentially contentious change. I have no objection to re-listing for discussion, but would maintain vehemently that the precedent of similarly
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Focus on the issue, not the individual. If someone has been involved with an editor or an issue, simply let cooler minds prevail. Otherwise it simply comes across as being vindictive. Knowledge has enough drama trying to get things right without introducing more by introducing personal vendettas.
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Three reasons. First Snow does not apply when the vote is 2:1. Second Snow does not apply when fighting an uphill battle which might not succeed. Third, the use of the word disruptive in the close is a pejorative that is totally unwarranted as the airport clearly and obviously to anyone who knows
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seems to be the right call here. Also the time between this move request and the previous failed one seemed to be too short. (I was involved in the 2nd move request, and the move review of the first move request, but not in the 1st move request itself. It was the first move review that brought my
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assume good faith. AGP does have it limits. That said though, I believe that you truly believe what you are doing is good for the encyclopedia. That does not mean though that your attempts are not boarding on disruptive even if you don't intend it to be. Also not that while you site AGP, you are
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seems to be the right call here. If you consider the comments it was actually 4:1 as two of the discussion comments that did not vote were both against the move. One calling for the moves request to be considered as a single request, the other calling for a speedy close for disruption. Note that
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October 11 while you disruptively forum-shop for anyone who agrees with you. You are absolutely right, there is no reason for a single editor to think he or she has any right to tell all of the rest of Knowledge how to spell things. Since you have been
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it seemed clear that this RM would proceed without challenge. There is a severe disruption to Knowledge, and I am not it. The disruption is thinking that Mexican American War should be spelled with an endash instead of a hyphen, even though that clearly is not the case, and applying that false
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generally need to conform with the content standards. It is therefore not necessary to provide reliable sources to verify Knowledge's administrative pages, or to phrase Knowledge procedures or principles in a neutral manner, or to cite an outside authority in determining Knowledge's editorial
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Disruptive editing clearly does not apply. The first sentence ends "disrupts progress towards improving an article or building the encyclopedia". It is clearly an improvement to the encyclopedia to use hyphens where hyphens are appropriate and endashes where endashes are appropriate. What is
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not really happen. Maybe I gave up too easily, not sure. Still I guess I am saying the closure had some justification, even if it was disappointing, but that I'm not sure I precisely endorse it as I may have given up too fast. If titling "uncertain" is unacceptable I'll change it later.--
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Before we get a bunch more repeated responses like PaleAqua's, can I propose that we treat these four as one, since they were are brought by the same guy, for essentially the same reason, and all closed by the same closer? Can we just discuss in this section instead of above?
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Seems like the unfortunately logical close at the time. Seems like "Chronological summary of the 2012 Summer Paralympics" would be a better article, but that is not what the article is right now. Probably should be moved back after it is improved in that direction.
915:. Closing early a move request opened shortly after another was closed—especially when it doesn't seem to be getting any traction—is probably reasonable. I don't see compelling evidence here or any consensus for the idea that the closing admin was biased. –
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who know nothing about airports to decide how airports should be spelled. The admin is not able to form an unbiased opinion and should have recused themself in favor of any one of the 800 other active admins.
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the first person to state this, yet you repeatedly open move discussions in all sorts of places based on your views about what is and isn't the common usage of dashes and hyphens in particular circumstances.
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the only opposer of the move in the original discussion, nor does he acknowledge that it was he who reverted the move against the decision of the closing admin, and without using the accepted procedures.
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nothing about airports to decide how airports should be spelled. The admin is not able to form an unbiased opinion and should have recused themself in favor of any one of the 800 other active admins.
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prove. Perhaps you could focus more on the consensuses you agree with, such as ending sentences with periods and capitalizing the first words in sentences. --
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1714:- Move review is no place for new requests. Also, the requested move was two years old, and arguing over titles is no longer fun. --
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