295:. Based on arguments for overturning the close, the RM closing comment clearly fails to summarize the explicit consensus for the choice of the specific incomplete disambiguator. A RM without rough consensus for its target still ends in no consensus no matter if there are enough arguments for moving away from the current title. However, based on arguments of Paine Ellsworth and MJL, it won't be helpful to reopen and relist the original RM. Another RM focusing on a specific disambiguator is the better approach to obtain a consensus.
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1031:(uninvolved) You and the supporters thought the name was sufficiently common to override neutrality concerns. The opposers didn't. Neither position is inherently unreasonable, or has a strong numerical advantage, and thus a no consensus closure is reasonable.
731:, uninvolved. I don't see a lot of discussion concerning the PDAB question here, so the close seems to be a bit out of the blue. There are a number of politicians named Mike/Michael Johnson, making the title confusingly ambiguous.
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