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719:: As one of the most general purpose types of semi-formal discussions on Knowledge (XXG), RfCs are also potentially one of the most far-reaching and long-lasting in their consequences, are regularly used to determine consensus on important matters of policy, and often require a subsequent RfC to overturn their results to the satisfaction of the community. Editors should consider not only whether their assessment of the consensus is correct, but whether the discussion might be better closed by an administrator as a matter of form, resulting in a judgement that would be less likely to be challenged, even if the substance of the outcome would be the same. 250:: The various venues for discussion on Knowledge (XXG) often include their own agreed-upon standards for procedural matters, such as how those discussions are formatted, how long they can or must continue, and what steps should be taken prior to their beginning and following their end. Editors who close discussions should have thoroughly familiarized themselves with these standards, and have enough history participating themselves, that they are able to fulfill these expectations. 742:: By default, RfCs run for 30 days. Particularly contentious ones may run for much longer and involve a great many contributors. Editors should be aware that the length of the discussion does not lessen the importance of each argument made, or the requirement to take all such viewpoints into consideration. Editors should not attempt to close discussions where they cannot commit the sometimes considerable time and attention required to do so. 713:: Unlike other discussions on Knowledge (XXG), RfCs do not require a formal closure, and doing so may often be unnecessary or even counterproductive. Editors should assess whether the closure is needed at all, or whether the discussion has come to a natural conclusion on its own, and reached a consensus which is self-evident to those involved, rendering a closure moot, and an inaccurate closure unnecessarily problematic. 625:
these venues have complicated criteria to consider, employ complicated templates, require additional logging elsewhere, or require the use of bots to run jobs to complete the tagging or other cleanup tasks that are required. If a closer does not take all the required steps, it can create significant problems that may go unresolved for an extended period of time.
500:) because they are against policy, made in bad faith, etc. If you are reviewing a debate and find yourself trying to decide if a !vote should be ignored per the rough consensus guidelines, and doing so or not doing so would likely affect the outcome, then this is not the kind of debate that an inexperienced editor ought to be closing. 51: 118: 632:
can be especially complex and should be avoided by anyone who is not an experienced participant. Images are frequently transcluded into articles, templates and user pages. Those closing these type of debates often have to review the "what links here" special page and determine if other cleanup needs
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unambiguous. Controversial topics may be indicated by the broad topic area, related discussions, and previous XfDs (if applicable). With the understanding that the closure may be reversed, non-admins should generally avoid closing such discussions, especially if the non-admin is relatively new to the
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Additionally, although RfCs are ideally proposed in a neutral manner, so as not to affect the outcome based on the viewpoint of the originator, editors who close such discussions should recognize that they are evaluating not only the arguments made, but the nature of the question posed, and whether
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are probably not good candidates for non-admin closure, except by those who have extraordinary experience in the XfD venue in question. If there is a serious backlog on one of these venues, consider asking a very familiar admin who closes many of this type of discussions for their advice. Many of
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when editing Knowledge (XXG), and more so when accurately judging the outcomes of discussions. Although there are no formal requirements in terms of time spent on Knowledge (XXG) or number of contributions made for non-administrators to close discussions, it is important that those who do close are
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decisions, but a choice between multiple qualitatively distinct options. Even then, the consensus that results from an RfC may not be in favor of any of the options initially proposed at all, but a completely new choice originating in the discussion itself. Editors should be keenly aware that the
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closures. Non-admins may not use a "speedy delete" close unless the page has already been deleted, but may close a nomination as "speedy keep" if there is no doubt that such action is appropriate. Otherwise, non-admins are encouraged to recommend a "speedy keep" in the body of the discussion and
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that is reached between few editors or with little discussion is likely to be limited in its applicability and impact. Likewise, editors who reach strong agreement on an issue, but who may have overlooked an important policy-related aspect of their decision, may come to a strong but nonetheless
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the actions of administrators, they may also do so for non-administrator actions, such as closing an RfC. Non-admins are similarly expected to promptly justify their decisions when required. As always, editors questioning or justifying a close are expected to do so within the bounds of
140:, according to Knowledge (XXG) policy and convention any registered editor in good standing may close a discussion. For practical purposes, non-administrators should not take formal action in discussions whose outcome would require the use of administrator tools, such as those at 209:, will normally have the knowledge necessary to close community discussions appropriately, or to identify when they cannot and defer to others. Non-administrators who close discussions should ensure they also have the requisite experience and knowledge necessary to do so. 633:
to be done, such as removing the "deletable image caption" templates everywhere the image is used. Those who regularly close these venue debates are likely to know how to use bots, scripts and third-party tools to help them do so properly.
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for participants with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion, editors should not attempt to close discussions they have been improperly notified of, or notified of in a way that may cast doubts on their impartiality.
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Some discussions on Knowledge (XXG) may be closed by non-administrators and some should not. Before doing so, non-administrators should be sure that the closure is appropriate.
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it is put forth in a valid and neutral manner, in accordance with Knowledge (XXG) policy and guidelines, and how that may have affected the direction of the debate.
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There are no more than a few associated subpages that need to be moved along with the move of the page under discussion, such as voluminous talk page archives.
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The non-admin has demonstrated a potential conflict of interest, or lack of impartiality, by having expressed an opinion in the discussion or being otherwise
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are regularly closed by experienced and uninvolved registered editors in good standing. Any non-admin closure must be explicitly declared with template {{
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for closing discussions and enacting their results. Rather than attempting to close a discussion, consider contributing as a participant instead. A weak
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Closures may only be reopened by an uninvolved administrator in their individual capacity, giving their reasoning, or by consensus at deletion review.
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Administrators should not revert a closure based solely on the fact that the original closer was not an administrator, based on consensus following
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While rare mistakes can happen in closes, editors whose closes are being overturned at decision reviews, and/or directly reverted by administrators,
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It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Knowledge (XXG) contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of
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In non-deletion discussions, a non-admin closure should not be challenged solely on the grounds that the closer is not an admin. (see
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The non-admin has little or no experience editing Knowledge (XXG) generally or has little or no previous participation in discussions.
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to determine the outcome. The process of rough consensus requires administrators to occasionally ignore opinions (sometimes called
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opening of an RfC is merely the impetus for debate, but not determinate of the type of consensus that may result from it.
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if not adhered to. Editors who close discussions should have a good understanding of when and how these apply, as well as
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able to do so properly. Improper closures may have detrimental effects on the project, such as necessitating potentially
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Templates for discussion/Archive 19#RfC: Proposal to allow non-admin "delete" closures at TfD
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Consider also whether one of several avenues for editor notification may be helpful in broadening discussion:
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or if it has already been relisted a few times, unless there is a good reason to do so. See the guidelines at
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As the result of a 2015 request for comment, consensus allows for non-administrators to close discussions at
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Avoid closing a discussion if you have an opinion on the topic or its suitability for inclusion.
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Moving an article into a page (such as a redirect) that can't be accomplished by a regular editor
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or RfC. However, these may be particularly challenging closures for multiple reasons:
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After an AfD discussion has run for at least seven days (168 hours), it is moved to
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should pause closing until they have discussed these closes with an administrator
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The consensus or lack thereof is clear after a full listing period (seven days).
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A non-admin closure may not be appropriate in any of the following situations:
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Closing editors must abide by the standard of being uninvolved as described at
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For the actual guideline on non-admin closures of deletion discussions, see
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Administrators have the ability to move up to 100 pages in a single click.
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Discuss with the closing editor first before starting a deletion review.
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invalid consensus that is quickly overturned or simply never enacted.
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be overturned if the only reason is that the closer was not an admin.
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Extra care should be taken if a closure may be controversial or not
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The discussion is contentious (especially if it falls within a
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when all other viewpoints expressed were for keeping as well.
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Contrary to popular belief, especially among newer editors,
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allow an administrator to gauge the community consensus.
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Administrators, as experienced editors who have passed a
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when it could also be possible for it to be closed as a
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The result will require action by an administrator:
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Knowledge (XXG):NON-ADMIN CLOSURE
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Knowledge (XXG):Notability (academics)
essay
closing discussions
Knowledge (XXG)'s policies or guidelines
thoroughly vetted by the community
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WP:NAC
WP:NADC
closed
administrators
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RFPP
PERM
Competence is required
time-consuming reviews
backlogs
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community review
Knowledge (XXG) is not a bureaucracy
policies and guidelines
consensus
legal requirements
serious consequences
when they do not
fundamental principles
large and diverse body of contributors
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