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ages of the children who died seem to be around the range of 8-11, so I think it's safe to assume that the children who died were not members of
Hezbollah. The size of the explosions wouldn't of been enough to kill someone without being in close proximity to it (its not like the pagers had a blast radius of several hundred meters), which implies that the children were either holding the pager or in close proximity to the pagers. Therefore, it can be assumed that non-Hezbollah members were carrying pagers. Granted, I doubt these children were carrying around a pager wherever they went, but they must've been relatively close to it in order to be killed by the pager (as in, holding or carrying the pager).
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The reason why I'm saying to add a topic to the talk page instead of just "remove this sentence from the article" is because it's debatable if it actually does contradict, and I'd prefer to get some consensus about it beforehand. I can't request an edit of the article on the talk page due to it being
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Furthermore, it must be stated clearly and constantly that not only were the vast majority of the victims civilians, but that such an attack is, by definition and intent, a terror attack on
Lebanon by israel (as israel has now confirmed they were behind it and had been planning it for an unspecified
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The rest is mainly these two pieces of information put together, a pager killing a child implies the child was close enough to it to be injured; based on the range shown in the video, they were likely holding it. The source that is cited for the sentence I believe should be removed adds that it was
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Hezbollah members were carrying the pagers" appears to contradict other pieces of information in the article, specifically that two children died from the explosions. Hezbollah doesn't seem to have a history of using child soldiers in any capacity. The reported
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Hezbollah members" note on the casualties to "mainly civilians" as a large swath of Hezbollah casualties were apart of their political wing and considered civilians under international law, as well as ensuring the hundreds of medical staff who use pagers and were injured are not
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length of time). The severity of the attack in the context of international law must also be stated clearly as this is a clear violation of the Geneva
Convention and general international law that protects civilians from attack and prohibits the use of terrorism a a legitimate manner of warfare.
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I am not aware of a single reliable source that has confirmed that most of the casualties were civilian. This is also something that I doubt will come to light very quickly, since
Hezbollah generally does not like publishing lists of their soldiers, so discerning who is and isn't a soldier is
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Hezbollah is evil. And even if it does, this won't lead to the demonization of Lebanon, but that of
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extremely difficult. Hezbollah themselves claiming that "most casualties were civilian" is not evidence, as
Hezbollah is not a reliable source on this matter, since they are known to regularly lie for propaganda purposes.
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