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201:"She was initially a promising young actress, but she became a well-known private banker in 19th-century Munich by promising large returns on investments that were only sustainable by continually enlarging her customer base." I think you should be more clear about what she was doing. It is not even obvious that what she was doing was illegal under the current phrasing.
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My language questions are sincere questions and may have to do with
English not being my native language. - Please consider to turn all refs to harvard referencing which is used but not consistently. I made some corrections - revert what you don't like - and find it hard to find a spot of text in the
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Got the book and expanded that section. Unfortunately, even this book contains no real details about her life between 1880 and 1895. I don't think there is more information out there, seeing as most sources focus on the events of the 1870's. I hope it's sufficient nevertheless. Regards
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The individual points have all been addressed above. As for
Harvard referencing, do you have an example where this is done even with websites so I can mirror it from there? I'll check about the theater stuff but so far most references focus on her financial deeds. Regards
231:"She then performed as a folk singer under the name Adele Vio and lived off friends and benefactors. Minor swindles led to further trials and periods of incarceration. She died of cardiac arrest in Munich on 27 or 28 October 1895 " Refs are out of numerical order.
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I've listed this article for peer review because a number of far more experienced editors have suggested to do so in preparation of a potential FA nomination. I think I addressed all previously raised problems but I'm looking forward to more tips. Thanks,
791:, but you can look at any of my FAs. Websites just like books, only no page number. I think if she wrote more about theatre, that could be added provided that it is her memories, not necessarily fact. It's part of her life, I think. --
329:"she offered large returns on investments paid by continually using the money of new investors to pay back the previous ones" - I had to read that twice, the biggest problem "paid by", and I expected by whom. Comma? Other wording?
228:"also defamed criticism of Spitzeder as attempts by the "Jewish capital" to discredit a pious and hard-working woman, tapping into the widespread antisemitism of the times." I might begin, "characterised criticism of Spitzeder ..."
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I'll see what I can find but most likely only if she has written about it herself. As for language, it's not mine either, one of the reasons for this PR. I will seek to address the rest of your comments within the week. Regards
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but I'm open to suggestions. As for the namechange, the source only mentions that the family did it, not why. I assume because they didn't want to be associated with her. I see if I can find a source for the reasons. Regards
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216:"Wanting to become an actress, Spitzeder studied with Munich actresses Konstanze Dahn and Charlotte von Hagn." Two uses of "actress close together, I would change one, perhaps the first (take the stage?)
237:"It was produced by the Bayerische Rundfunk and the ORF, and starred Birgit Minichmayr as Adele Spitzeder and was first broadcast on 11 January 2012." The consecutive "ands" should be massaged.
204:"In her personal life, Spitzeder was never married but was documented as carrying on more than one lesbian relationship. " I would cut the first four words. I don't think you need a transition.
405:"Spitzeder was never married but was documented as carrying on more than one lesbian relationship." May be my language but that reads needlessly complicated, both "documented" as "carry on".
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I'll see what I can find. I ordered the main biography last week and I'm waiting for it to arrive, hopefully it contains some clues. Her autobiography ends in 1878 with its release. Regards
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There is also some discrepancy in the articles about the Gulden, having lowercase article titles while using uppercase in the text. That probably needs addressing on a larger scale (e.g.
591:"In early 1871, Spitzeder survived the first public attempts to discredit her as the government failed to find a legal reason to stop Spitzeder" - "survived"? her name twice?
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Do we know which theatre in Coburg? - Links to theates would be more useful than to modern towns. If no theatre, link to Coburg?
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