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I've listed this article for peer review because I want to submit it as my first FAC. This is a multifaceted subject with diverse challenges in writing a stellar encyclopedia article for a general English language audience. The subject is deeply important to me, and it's been really rewarding trying
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I am particularly interested in how the article reads to people who have a minimum of exposure to the subject—people who have never even heard a word of spoken Chinese somehow. People who have never seen a passer-by's unfortunate tattoo. I want my explanations of concepts from zero to be useful for
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I also crave any and all observations from those on the other end of the spectrum, especially regarding potential scope hurdles—how might we get from broad to comprehensive coverage without lurching above 10k words, the arbitrary upper limit I've set for myself? At what point are we off-topic when
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everybody. How clear are the explanations of cultural, historical, academic, and technical terms to you? Do I explain everything in the right order? I would also like to make the subject burn with interest for some folks out there like reading about it has done for me.
170:, or should it be rebalanced as to better reflect the heterogenous peoples involved over time? How much space should we devote to aspects that are specific to particular languages or historical periods? Should we create even more sub-articles to cram into 336:("should be succinct") in mind. If they say things that aren't in the article, or if it's not immediately clear what references support the caption, citations should be added (e.g. File:Variants_of_Kangxi_radical_213_'turtle'.svg) in "Variant characters". 478:
Interested and with little exposure to even spoken Chinese, although a family member was born in China. I'll comment as I read, and that will be in portions. Only afterwards can I give justice to the lead, and questions such as order and depth.
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I think I've finally knuckled down and sorted the bib completely (wow!) All books and journal articles are in the works cited, save for the primary sources which have been given their own section. Thoughts?
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Thank you. I don't need pay/repay, - just attention ;) - Next round, you can just reply below my bullets, - easier for me. I have no idea when the next round will be, as described on your talk.
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Right! Sorry about the further delay argh! If I didn't directly respond to a point, I'm probably going to give it a straightforward fix without further discussion being required.
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Oh wow Gerda, I am so sorry to have left you hanging like this! I didn't see this at all, thank you so much for taking the time to look over my work! Will reply ASAP.
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Can the knotting be given some dating? (Because otherwise, 3rd millenium is what the section mentions, which is earlier than the 7th millenium in the following one.
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I know that I'm probably the only editor or reader who would pick up on this, but Hung 1951 is quite long and involved, so specific page numbers would be helpful.
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I think that of the two following navboxes (with the same title), the second might be more useful for people like me, so might perhaps better come first.
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I think that of the two following navboxes (with the same title), the second might be more useful for people like me, so might perhaps better come first.
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to weave concepts together and split them apart, but I think I'm approaching the limits of my own brain to think new thoughts about it on its own.
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will keep me busy for at least another day, and I have not responded to two kind reviewers of my FAC. The recent deaths articles come first. --
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We have here quotes, and I don't don't know if they have be quotes, and - if yes - where they come from, and that rather before the quotes.
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Oh, how so? I've spent a ton of time preening the references in the article, and I'm not sure which aspect you could be referring to.
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Writing direction is explained briefly in § Structure §§ Layout—does this seem sufficient, or is more up-front explanation needed?
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No worries in the slightest! While I would very much like to hear your insights, it's not like I've chipped in yet at the
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I wonder how I will get to understand "left-to-right" coming first while the pic caption seems to support top-to-bottom.
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I wonder how I will get to understand "left-to-right" coming first while the pic caption seems to support top-to-bottom.
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discussing aspects of spoken rather than specifically written language? Is this article something of a superset of
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I wish there were fewer images, to not sandwich text and displace a header. Easiest solution: all images right.
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I wonder if the number of 3500 characters should appear somewhere in the lead, also the Shuowen Jiezi
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I wonder if the number of 3500 characters should appear somewhere in the lead, also the Shuowen Jiezi
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Some citations use ref tags, others sfns, and I'm not entirely sure why there's a division.
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Oh, I should probably include glosses for both (roughly 'of' and 'their', I suppose?)
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I am so sorry for repaying your kind attention with a month of absentmindedness.
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It's hard to juggle these three infoboxes. I'll think more on this.
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It might just be my screen, but there seems to be a little
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I promise I'll get to this soon. 244:Ping me if I don't get to this in a week. 77: 63: 32: 401:Page 481 is specifically cited, I think? 329:Reference formats should be standardised. 379:Reference formats should be standardised 35: 725:Can the knotting be given some dating? 724: 713: 702: 691: 670: 263:Just wanted to bump in and ping you.^ 7: 801:Language and literature peer reviews 156: 24: 200:I have added this article to the 202:Template:FAC peer review sidebar 157: 561:Traditional invention narrative 1: 349:In the "Vietnamese" section: 775:23:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC) 757:22:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC) 663:21:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC) 638:21:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC) 172:Category:Chinese characters 18:Knowledge (XXG):Peer review 822: 696:Oh, you're probably right! 525:repetition of "sometimes" 459:More to come (I promise). 295:FAC like I've promised... 749: 655: 620:14:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC) 606:14:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC) 545:13:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC) 489:11:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC) 449: 430: 304: 273:15:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC) 254:16:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC) 227: 190: 178: 707:Probably right here too! 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