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1088:. The statements in that un-sourced article are not supported by our sources (VCH & Pevsner) in this Ely article. Further source farming is required here—we should start by seeing what the Cambridgeshire Heritage Environment Record (CHER) has to say when I get their database dump within the next week (2 sq mi of Ely:Pre-history through 19th century) -- 1804: 1757: 1717: 1596: 1503: 1462: 1432: 1401: 1371: 1292: 1254: 1213: 1149: 1113: 1045: 1008: 978: 909: 870: 830: 787: 749: 704: 668: 638: 600: 570: 540: 476: 443: 403: 361: 327: 287: 249: 215: 165:. In the meantime, we accept that the article needs further work and we are therefore looking for advice on how to proceed. We found the lead (lede) most difficult. We will respect any help reviewers are able to offer in re-writing this lead. We commit to working quickly through all issues raised by reviewers. 1606:
replaced with architectural historian Nikolaus Pevsners quote. Incidentally, for the record (er no need to defend yourself Senra) it was originally an unattributed insertion in the lead image caption by someone else. Trying to AGF previous editors, I attributed it; then removed it from the caption
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for now as this topic is beyond me. I have in fact added some prose on the Liberty of Ely but the modern politics is difficult. I have recruited others to look at this. I inherited all the modern governance prose and feel that it should be re-worked as fact. I have carried out searches for the
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The first paragraph focuses on local geography, which may be significant to the city - but this isn't made explicit. I tend to right about the place itself in the opening para & then look at the surrounding area. Perhaps this could be combined with the final paragraph where it deals with
1669:"The Roman Road Akeman Street (not to be confused with Akeman Street), from Ermine Street near Wimpole to Brancaster, passed to central Ely." What does "passed to" mean? And what on Earth does the exhortation not to confuse Akeman Street with Akeman Street mean? 969:
I wouldn't include "33rd year", 26th year, 84 years etc. - as these will go out of date quickly. If you want to include the event was founded/first held fine but you can leave the reader to work out how many years it has been going if they want
1625:"Major rivers including the Witham, Welland, Nene and Great Ouse, feed into the Fens ... The economy of the region is mainly agricultural, although before the fens were drained ...". Is it to be "Fens" or "fens" neither to be confused with the 1703:Æthelthryth (Etheldreda) founded an abbey on the island of Ely in AD 673 which was destroyed in 870 by Danish invaders." The way that's written makes it seem as if it was the island that was destroyed, but presumably it was the abbey? 1083:
for now. I am not sure about this. I might remove it altogether. It is not archaeologically clear when, by whom and for what purpose it was built. The Ely Castle article says it was built in 1070 by William I as a defence against
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A lot of surnames of sources are used without telling us who the people were or their credentials for making the statements. I would refer to the descriptions where relevant but only use their name in a note or
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contains historical population figures of Ely going back to the time of the conquest. Me or someone will work these into the article. Note that this report is already referenced in the article somewhere
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I'm not an English grammar expert (and would encourage recruiting one) but some of the short sentences and paragraphs in this section could perhaps be expanded a little to help clarify significance.
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The dates for "retrieved" are not in a consistent format eg 64 & 65 say "November 08, 2011". when others are in the format "8 November 2011" - there may be other examples
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has asked me to take a look at this article. Although I have visited I don't know the city well so can't comment on comprehensiveness, therefore a few comments based on
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which I believe is distinct from the fenland; another name for the local area :( Incidentally, I thought I had got the context correct but obviously I had not --
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How is the great of "great cathedral" defined? perhaps this restoration is during the Victorian era as several cathedrals were restored before this date.
1743:"In 1974 city status was confirmed by royal charter on the Ely parish council". Not at all sure about that "charter on"; surely charters are granted to? 1789:
In "Victorian and twentieth-century regeneration" the claim in the final paragraph about being a "significant port" should be fairly easy to reference.
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I'm surprised there aren't articles for the "largest straw-burning power station in the world" and "world's largest poultry litter power plant"
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The final sentence could be reworded to reduce the use of brackets and perhaps change the phrase "peat (fuel) farming" as I wouldn't say anyone
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Palace Green is mentioned, and the Bishop's Palace is mentioned in the picture caption but I can't see anything else about this in the article.
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Ref 61 says NOTE THIS IS NOT AN RS SOURCE - eith it is & this should be removed or it isn't in which case another source may be needed
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I believe that the charities existence since 1445 and the fact that it still exists today is notable enough for its inclusion so for now,
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In the caption of the map there seems to be a space missing in "SinceBentham's time". This sentence should probably end with a full stop.
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The sentence "This is in the hard range of the scale which is more than moderately hard and less than very hard" left me none the wiser
1647:(a wetland generally) so I think it depends on context. Neither of those are to be confused with the local government district the 1530:
I hope these comments are useful and are not intended to lesson the vast amount of work which has gone into the article so far.—
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Added castle and Hereward to history section. Needs to go in lead but that can wait as other stuff needs to go in lead too --
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done but not happy with my wording. The difficulty is, in the lead at least, it is hard to explain that Akeman Street is not
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Could something about Economy, Governance, Culture, Sport, education etc be included to more fully summarise the article per
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I would move the picture to the right (because of section breaks) & move the canon to the left in the next section.
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Modern times doesn't seem that modern to me anything from 20th century? eg RAF stations mentioned in Notable people
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The date 1816 occurs twice in the sentence "The Ely and Littleport riots 1816 occurred between 22 and 24 May 1816"
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We have listed this article for peer review as a first step in a process that started about one month ago at
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This article is greatly improved - well done to everyone who has worked on it. Just one minor comment:
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I wouldn't include "Historical documents...." as this is really about sources - perhaps external links?
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Me not grammar, expert—neither but, Malleus; had passed on so, I guess bad construction's is fixed? --
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Refs 5, 40, 42, 50, 104, 106, 124, 125, 145, 148, 157 & 158 should have format=PDF in them.
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What is Thomas Parson's Charity & why is it significant? Any involvement in the Civil war?
1577:"Sacrist Alan of Walsingham's octagon, built over Ely's nave crossing between 1322 and 1328, 930:
I agree a citation is needed for the church, middle class & Tory-Liberal marginal claims.
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Indeed my friend. Thank you so much. I will address the remaining issues in due course --
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Is there any reason why Demography comes higher in the article order than suggested in
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Demography was correct; I think you mean Governance which I changed to Government so
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I don't understand the name Babylon-ware being related to the re-routing of the river
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The first paragraph needs to be turned into prose - it makes no sense to me currently
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otherwise I think it is looking good and I wish you luck with the GA nomination.—
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for now. I too am surprised but these claims are sourced. Lets see if they last --
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changed to "... one of the smallest ..." although the claim i was sourced :)
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to be one of the wonders of the medieval world." "Ely Cathedral's octagon
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not fully. I added full reference to source and quoted source too so
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I would move the workhouses and Cromwell down for chronological order
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one of the wonders of the medieval world." Well, is it or isn't it?
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isn't wikilinked, but perhaps this could be clarified in the lead
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In the infobox I would spell out the abbreviation ECDC in full.
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although the Danes may have destroyed the island too :) --
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I don't understand what "For example" is an example of
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actually another phrase I inherited but no excuse --
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and now removing this contentious phrase entirely --
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