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Thank you for the edit. That was completely my fault as I should have read your suggestion more carefully. It was not confusing and I take responsibility for that. I will likely keep this peer review open for a while longer to get as much feedback as possible, but I will definitely let you know when
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Unfortunately, nothing else is available for the others from reliable sources. This was a smaller show on a smaller network and according to reports, it fared poorly in terms of ratings so it probably just never registered on charts or was seen as notable enough to expand space in write-ups about
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Thank you for looking through the images. I have italicized the parenthetical information in successful FACs without an issue. I do it to distinguish the information from the rest of the caption, but I can understand what other editors prefer to not go this route. I do not think there is a policy
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Shannen Says had low ratings, ranking below most other programs on its broadcast night – You could probably rewrite to "Shannen Says suffered from low viewership and ranked below most other programs when it debuted/premiered, despite its popularity among women between the ages of 25 and 54." Hope
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Thank you for the kind words and for all your help with this review. I always find it super weird to revisit older articles I worked on. I may have only worked on this one six years ago, but it feels like a lifetime ago since I was in such a different space at the time.
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Thank you for all of your suggestions. You have helped to improve the article a lot and remove some of the sillier mistakes. Have a great rest of your weekend!
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Thank you for the review. Your comments were very helpful. I believe that I have addressed everything and I hope you have a great rest of your week!
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