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431:(and briefly vandalized). The inbound links are all user Talk pages and fall into two clear categories - the references on the anon pages are vandalism warnings about abuses to the "huggle" page itself (before the AfD deletion) and the logged-in user page uses are all references to the "WP:Huggle" tool (both before and after the AfD. I see no reason to overturn the AfD decision and defer to that judgment that the term is a non-notable neologism. You could argue for a soft-redirect to 844:
editor to the Mexican title. The anon appears to have executed the move via cut-and-paste rather than through the move button. The redirect now preserves the only record to the attribution history of the original content which went on to become the Mexican list. At least one of the other redirects was the result of a prior pagemove of the content by
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to preserve history. The first one in this set was originally an article talking about stations on Mexican soil but broadcasting in English to a US audience. Whether you call that a US station or a Mexican station is, in some regard, a matter of judgment. The page was moved in Aug 2005 by an anon
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on the word does not seem to support the claim that this is a particularly common term. Excluding Knowledge, Wiktionary and their clones and derivatives (like Urban Dictionary and Everything2), none of the hits on the first few pages refer to hugs. What evidence do you have that this is a common
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Isn't it a little bit vain to say that Knowledge has co-opted the word "huggle"? Honestly, the only reason I know that Huggle is even a Knowledge tool is because of the comment tag on some user talk pages. IRC or not, more people know huggle as slang for hug. This redirect should stay to
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If it's a "common Internet meme", why isn't it coming up when we search through electronic sources? IRC sessions are frequently logged and often show up even through simple tools like google searches. What evidence did you find that this really is common?
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as a way to discourage the recreation of the dictionary definition but looking at the inbound links, it appears that our readers/editors most use this link as a typo of "WP:Huggle" (forgetting the WP: prefix).
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have a real-life meaning, and cross-namespace redirects are normally to be avoided, in this case I think it's justified: if someone types this in, the page they're arguably most likely looking for is
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WikiProject Fictional series was moved to Media franchises a long time ago, and all subpages moved. The only thing in this page's history is the move, and nothing is linked to this. The redirect from
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correct. If the echos of Knowledge are the most common use on the internet, then Knowledge usage (HUGGLE) is probably the correct target. —
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You are right that we don't need a lot of evidence but I'd like to see some. I couldn't find any that didn't trace back to Knowledge.
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The result of the debate was History merged and redirects deleted per nom, without prejudiced for discussion resulting in recreation.
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No incoming links, you seem to have made most of these, and preformed the move, so I would just tag them all for speedy deletion
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as is, common term in the ~Real world~ to refer to hugs and a vandalism tool on Knowledge should not take precedence over that.
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usage that should take precedence over the evidence that we do have about how Knowledge editors already use the term?
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This page has been discussed at least twice that I know about. The original version was AfD'd in Jan 07 (
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Same as Knowledge:WikiProject Fictional series/Assessment with one talk page discussion linked to this. -
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Same as Knowledge:WikiProject Fictional series/Assessment with one talk page discussion linked to this. -
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Same as Knowledge:WikiProject Fictional series/Assessment with one talk page discussion linked to this. -
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 5, 2008
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with no hatnote. If you are looking for or using Huggle, you should know how namespaces work. ---
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More housekeeping such as the other redirects listed below. Only the move is in the history. -
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When it comes to redirects, we typically don't need a lot of evidence for such things. --
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Excluding everything2 and Urban Dictionary? Where does the reasoning for that come from?
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and a hatnote with the "WP:HUGGLE" link? Seems like that solves all the problems. --
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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List of television stations in the United States by call sign (initial letter X)
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I disagree with the nom entirely and Knowledge should avoid self-referencing.
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is being kept, since it is more widely used. There is further housekeeping
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List of television stations in the U.S. by call sign (initial letter X)
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List of television stations in the USA by call sign (initial letter X)
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List of television stations in the US by call sign (initial letter X)
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U.S. broadcast stations do not begin with initial letter X
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The result of the debate was Speedy under housekeeping.
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The result of the debate was Speedy under housekeeping.
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The result of the debate was Speedy under housekeeping.
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The result of the debate was Speedy under housekeeping.
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The result of the debate was Speedy under housekeeping.
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The result of the debate was Speedy under housekeeping.
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The result of the debate was Keep as a redirect to
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Index

Knowledge:Redirects for discussion
Log
August 4
August 6
MBisanz
02:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject Fictional series
Template:WikiProject Media franchises
LA
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19:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
G6, housekeeping
Ned Scott
22:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
MBisanz
02:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Knowledge:WikiProject Fictional series/Assessment
Knowledge:WikiProject Media franchises/Assessment
WikiProject Fictional series
here
LA
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19:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
MBisanz
02:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Knowledge:WikiProject Fictional series/List
Knowledge:WikiProject Media franchises/List
LA
T
19:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

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