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263:-I've never cared for this redirect. I simply can not understand how calling anyone's contributions "crap" could be considered anything but uncivil. Imagine, for a moment, some one made a !vote on an AfD calling the article in question a piece of crap. I've little doubt the editor would be scolded for violating
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as a problem; it is popular culture poking mild fun at a major popular culture figure. However, if concerned then that would need to be a separate RFD; it's too late in the process to add it to this nomination. As I have alluded above, if there is an issue then it should be taken with the target.
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1549:- it may be used in reliable sources, but I don't think this is a particularly useful redirect - anyone searching for it surely knows his real name. Given that it doesn't help much with searches, it appears to be purely derogatory, and I think we'd be better off without it.
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