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Redirects are simply navigation aids and they can change over time. They are not "seniority first" or "oldest usage gets priority". They are pure and simple meant to send the most people using it to the place most people want to go - this is an unusual case in which we clearly know the answer to that question based on these stats. Meanwhile, 100s of people a day are not getting to the violent game page while this discussion goes on. --
1896:. I rather think usage of the word—both as slur and non-slur—has been on the wane for a few years, but I'm not sure. I don't see a pressing need to use it for a redirect to either the current target or the proposed retarget. it's not inherently offensive, but if it's hardly used now and unlikely to be much used whatever the target, deletion would make just as much sense.
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1789:, I think that's the most logical place for it to go. It's not offensive at all in that context, being a common synonym for LGBT (I know of a few old people who are offended by that usage, only knowing "queer" as a playground insult, but Knowledge (XXG) needs to keep up with the times). The only reason it links to
1818:. While we should always be careful retargetting shortcuts lest we change the meaning of pages that use it, this page has no such transclusions. This and the low usage serve as evidence that this is not a useful shortcut to its present target, indeed the LGBT project is where I would expect this to lead.
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Miley Cyrus fans are ordinary people with ordinary failings and an ordinary attitude to spelling Mily Sirus. Such redirects are genuinely helpful to our dyskelsic friends and ought to remain. They may offend those of us who know how to spell the lass's name, but, for those who do not, heck, let 'em
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for every problematic word on a long list. People don't really want to follow through with that to the end, so they're saying retarget it to something new. But if the LGBT project wants it, why didn't they take it before? It's easier to type "wp:gay" or even "wp:lgbt" into the search bar, and
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1698:. While that page is highly useful it is most assuredly no longer relevant to WP:QUEER. I am struggling, though, to find a valid redirect target for it at all, since it needs to aim somewhere in the WP: space. I am putting it up for discussion for repurposing or for deletion.
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and thank you to the nominator for making my point for me. Potentially offensive redirects should either all be kept or all be deleted. This nonsense about picking and choosing who may or may not be offended by this or that needs to stop.
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