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per previous discussions/consensus to leave, but disable, these redirects from the user namespace. In my opinion, user space redirects to the article namespace are only harmful if they are not soft redirects. Speaking of which, I will be adding another redirect to this nomination shortly that relates
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showing "A total of 1032 emojis were introduced by Unicode Version V6.0 in 2010". Items on that list include ballon, icecream, doughnut, cookie, candy, lollipop, cake, egg, dolls, and a lot more. If one of these icons were to be used in a redirect, it should be to an article with useful encyclopedic
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Links from old revisions will certainly lead to a notice that this page has been renamed to some-such title, so no link rot will occur. Benefit to Knowledge (XXG): no need to maintain double-triple redirects and so on, clean edit history, clean WhatLinksHere, and generally, keeping the things neat
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that would be the proper target, if it covered the incident. As it is, it seems to point to the wrong location, as the bullying did not occur at the high school, or while the bullies/bullied were attending there, but after they graduated in locations that are unrelated to the high school. --
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In what way will they be out of sync? If an old revision links to a template that is now redirected it transcludes the template at the redirect target. Old revisions are important because people are encouraged to link to specific revisions when referencing Knowledge (XXG) articles. Good net
1185:? It doesn't. And if we're starting to accuse each other, then I can say that "horrid net citizenship" is polluting the system with such junk. BTW, your comments only concern redirect to templates, while the majority of those that I listed are redirect to template talk pages. 1133:& simple, leaving no garbage behind you. Moreover: for older revisions it may actually be better to show a red link in place of a template than to show the current version that is totally out of sync with that revision (at least for such things as route diagrams). 1483:. Hard redirects from user pages to article space pages are harmful, but soft redirects are not and they maintain the link that the user is apparently happy with. Deleting a user page is potentially very bitey and so should not be done when there is an alternative. 1678:
It's not as if this is a commonly used method of searching for this, or that people will learn or understand anything from it. Redirecting a single "character" to the word may be acceptable, but redirecting every phrase it appears in as well is serious overkill.
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Implausible, as others have 📝d. Redirects from particular characters to their subject articles aren't harming anything, but mixing unicode with English would seem to be putting the 🚗t before the 🐎. Ok I'm done now.
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issue for us to indirectly sum up her life as having been a victim of this. Since the redirect is protected now it would make sense to block future creation as well: her unfortunate death has had no lasting
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that the material is not appropriate under the "controversies" section after it was removed and remained absent over a five month period. Addition of material on this subject appears to be in violation of
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as a completely implausible redirect. Redirects ought to assist readers in some way, but I can't see anyone ever entering "🎈 release" into the toolbar hoping to get "balloon release".
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These are redirects either to templates or to template talk pages, so there is no chance that they will ever be needed for navigation or searching (those that may be needed, like
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citizenship is all about not breaking things unnecessarily - far better to have redirects that are only occasionally needed than for them to not be there when they are needed.
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as implausible; nobody is going to search a combination of emoji and plain text. Frankly I have doubts as to whether we should even have redirects for simple emoji (e.g.,
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Hard redirects are clearly harmful, as clicking on a user name and then talk to leave a message will result in talk for a user being left at an article talk page. --
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according to what Mendaliv says. Having single-character redirects is good, partly because people like Chillum who can't see the character can go to
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Yes, and on Windows (at least the way mine is set up), it's a black balloon with a comically short string pointing in the other direction. :P -
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Is technically typable in some phone OSes without finagling. As for its looks, it probably bears most resemblance to Samsung's emoji for it
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establish a link between this young woman's suicide and the high school, so it's not really appropriate to redirect there. Retargeting to
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Editor seems to have created an article on his user page and then moved it to namespace - which created this inappropriate redirect.
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Well, previously I had tagged similar redirects for speedy deletion; some admins deleted them, some declined to do so... In short:
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per Ivanvector and Nyttend above. I asked JethroBT to create this due to the difficulties posed by the redirect's protection.
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As a note, this is also a fully-protected article due to prior concerns with its creation with regard to the recently deceased.
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That's precisely what I'm saying, for RDTs it's better to show a red link than an out-of-synced version. And where does
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or similar wouldn't be particularly informative to readers searching for info on this woman, and it's perhaps a
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 25, 2014.
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Clarifying: John asked Jethro to create the Rfd, not the redirect itself. (Correct me if I'm wrong!)
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You can't type it so how would it work as a redirect? I cannot even see it, it is a square that says
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and get a hint about the redirect from its target. But nobody will follow "🎈" with "release".
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There are enough pointless redirects without exploiting the endless permutations available using
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impacts (by our encyclopedic standards) thus any future article would be very likely to fail
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Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
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Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
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unlikely redirect. Untypable character, not used in phrases in English in this manner. --
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Currently redirects to a school article where there appears to be a some support (
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to this nomination. Same rationale, same issue, same vote for "soft redirect".
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No, links from old revisions will display a broken template; a page that calls
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects.
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects.
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They have no relevant edit histories (those that do, I did not include).
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
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the symbol looks exactly like the Samsung emoji to me using OS X) —/
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Correct; John and I had a substantive discussion about this topic
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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article will have to type "cake" rather than enter a cute icon.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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or let me know if there are attempts to recreate it. --
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