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1923:. I was going to be silent on these mojibakes and let them go delete by default (and I hope this comment is not taken to queer that pitch), but the Pokémon ones piqued my interest: since "Pokémon" is a transliteration for Japanese ("ポケモン") – presumably one deliberately chosen since "É" is rare in English orthography – are there any even more bizarre mojibakes that mojibake the katakana itself? 3053:" is listed at that target, not "Nobama". I was not trying to be picky but having inadvertently left case-sensitive search on, I couldn't find it at first, since it's not R to section ("Critical slogans"). If retargeted, make it R to section. (Not sure that's a great section title when the rest are chronological, but that's a matter for the A not the R.) 2887:
Nope. I just, from time to time, look at random articles with popular video game subjects to see what redirects point towards them that seem to either be misleading or not explained well enough at the redirects' target to justify the redirects' existence. The fact that I, in a short amount of time,
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closed as redirect. The article was actually deleted and the title recreated as a redirect, though. It's not mentioned at the target article, so it's definitely misleading as is. Restoring the old article is also an option. I've undeleted its revision history, so anyone can take a look at it now.
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I'm pretty bullish about deleting CNRs, but the distinction between Help and Knowledge (XXG) namespaces is so blurry. I can't think of another pair of namespaces with so much overlap. And I'm fairly certain I've used this redirect myself.
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This is a concept related to the target that is neither is synonymous with the target article, nor mentioned at the target article. Also, it seems that this redirect was previously an article, but the article seems like a violation of
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The article draft seems to have been moved to Knowledge (XXG) namespace by a mistake. I thought about merging the histories, but this doesn't seem to be strictly necessary - the main author of the draft also edited
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I find this useful. It allows helpers to link the term "namespace" when writing messages for new users, without first having to check whether the help page is in the Help or Knowledge (XXG) namespace. --
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is DAB with one at the 1st and the other at the 3rd entry). Therefore retargeting a "transsexuality" R to a "transgender" article (as I weakly suggested above) would be misleading.
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I don't know what is especially notable about African-American transsexuals as opposed to American transsexuals generally. We don't have Rs or articles on
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this was created as a fork of the articlespace article in DRAFTspace and then accidentally moved to WPspace --
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 17, 2015.
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nominated two similar redirects that point to two different video game subjects is pure coincidence.
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of the mojibake forms, so are even worse, as they aren't even mojibake, but typos of mojibake. --
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is converted to an article, perhaps it could be discussed there. (Is that how you found this?) --
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What is remarkable or unusual about transsexuality within one ethnic group within one country?
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page, but it redirects there as well. The only mention of the term on Knowledge (XXG) is at
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To spare anyone else a confused comment, "NOBAMA" is mentioned on the list of slogans, not
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I was surprised that this term isn't mentioned on the target page. I somewhat expected a
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to post his version of the article there. I think the redirect can be safely
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I don't know what mean, it's a cross-namespace redirect to project page.
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I moved the article to the more appropriate title; the redirect may be
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Just from Googling the term, there are other uses, but it seems the
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List of U.S. presidential campaign slogans#Critical slogans
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for now. This might become an article in the future. --
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Redirects for discussion
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Banque de terminologie du Québec
Grand dictionnaire terminologique
links to redirect
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Banque de terminologie du QuA(c)bec
Grand dictionnaire terminologique
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Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord
Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord
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Crédit Agricole Indosuez
Crédit Agricole Corporate and Investment Bank
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CrA(c)dit Agricole Indosuez

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