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Wikipedias. There is no language that users of English Knowledge (XXG) are presumed to speak other than English, so linking to an article in Italian is going to help very few of them. The ones who speak Italian
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Redirects from various restaurants, all created by a single editor who was subsequently blocked for sockpuppetry in 2011. No edit history that needs to be preserved, and as far as I can tell none of the targets ever mentioned these restaurants. Most are discussed nowhere else in
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But it's not appropriate. It would be appropriate to redirect to an article about the assholes who peddle such nonsense, but not to the newspaper itself. It is not in any way helpful to our readers. Anyone typing that in the search box will most likely want to read about the
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There isn't, but in this particular case... the page is clearly not ready for mainspace and the editor who moved it there doesn't know what they're doing (eg see the previous move). Better to move it back and see if they read their own talk page than to just AFD it, I thought.
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