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1113:" used by a Catholic French traveller in the Levant is, imho, best translated by "Greek Orthodox" because this is what English speakers and locals use today for this community, without any prejudice as in the original per your own analysis. Also, all the quotes we are currently discussing are in pieces of text that are neither about Guérin himself, about religion nor about the 1870s, but about the demographic history of Palestinian and Lebanese villages, next to other traveller accounts or census. Therefore there is absolutely no need to place any specific mention about the Orthodox being "schismatic". Lastly, re: " 345: 65: 1764:, where the definite article is occasionally used in English. Google hits are not a particularly useful measurement here as searches for "the Veneto" or "the France" will also turn up pages using "the Veneto region", "The France Show" etc., which don't support the idea that the phrase being searched for is in common use. – 1689: 1685: 1693: 1354:
What makes you write that Guérin doesn't 'equate "Greek Orthodox" and "Schismatic Greek"'? In the cultural and national context in which he writes, there would be no doubt whatsoever that these terms are synonymous. The notions of "great confusion in terminology" in your abstract refers to such terms
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use that expression a lot, describing the inhabitants in various places in then Palestine in the 19th century. Those descriptions are often quoted verbatim into the articles about theses places. Im not sure wheter "Schismatic Greek" is considered pejorative today, but back then it surely wasn't. So
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Well, we can surely agree with the above 1913 text that "...these distinctions have not been, and are not, even now, always observed that a great confusion has arisen in the terminology of those who write or speak of the Eastern (Oriental) Churches and of the Greek Church." However, that 1913 text
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Part of the trouble is that Guérin's original text is in French. You must respect word for word text that you cite if it is either Guérin's original French or a translation made by someone else, but if we translate it ourselves, the best practice is to replace an expression in the original language
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etc. Note also the use of the word "conversion" in the extract: I am not sure if it is a transcription error of the Freudian type, as I would have expected the word "conversation" instead in this sentence, or if the author actually thinks that the only purpose one would have of interacting with
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Kefr Yasif renferme 600 habitants, parmi lesquels 100 tout au plus sont Musulmans ; les autres appartiennent à la religion grecque schismatique. Ces derniers ont une église qui date de cent quarante ans et dans l'intérieur de laquelle quelques tableaux passables, qui ornent
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equated "Greek Orthodox" and "Schismatic Greek"...and that is something Guérin (writing between 1863 and 1875) didn't do. So this doesn't add up. Again, I suggest we just delete the redir, and just keep Guérin's original expressions ("Grecs schismatiques", etc),
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therefor I am agains deleting it. (It would be like replacing all instances of "negro" in a 19th century American texts with "Afro American": just unhistoric.) But to repeat: which of the eastern Greek churches it should redirect to, well, I am frankly not sure,
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as "Greek" or "Eastern", certainly not "schismatic". If you mean that Guérin does not use the word "Orthodox", it is precisely because he wouldn't use the word for a group his fellows considered, at that time, heterodox. He therefore uses the word "
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All "Schismatic Greeks" occurences I found on Ggl are in 19th-century publications written from a Catholic POV, or a Catholic context. In this era, there would have been no ambiguity that it would refer to Orthodoxy. See for instance its use in the
1139:, to be exact. And Samarie 2 was mostly about the northern West Bank: not the area where there were most Christians, (they were typically further north, in Galilee, or southern Lebanon). Also, lots of writers have translated Guérin to English: eg 1003:, though not quite per nom. I don't think this is suggesting all of Greek Orthodoxy as schismatic. Why would it be pointing at a specific church then? But various Greek churches can be considered schismatic, from various points of view (e.g., 502:. The current target explains the naming situation and has links to the African campus should that be what someone wants (although I'm not sure how plausible that is because I don't see evidence that the African campus is known 183: 1778:
That was my argument: there is no evidence that "the Veneto" is particularly used and is basically a mistake, as "the France" would be. Moreover, "the Veneto" is currently an orphan link and could be easily deleted.
1810:: My argument was exactly the opposite. Google is such a bad indicator in this context that there are hits also for "The Veneto" and "The France". "The Veneto" is wrong and unreasonable as much as "The France". -- 1516:
This part I agree with. I tried to find a better target but edited too quick for some of the villages that are indeed in the West Bank. I started to correct these edits, they must be unsaved in a tab somewhere.
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is in order, as the terms have fallen out of use and, even in the 19th and early 20th centuries, would have been showing a very strong Catholic-centered POV, clearly acknowledged in the above extract: "
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No, yours was the complete opposite argument: you argued that Google results are useful for determining whether this redirect should be kept, whereas I argued that they're useless. –
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I believe this is an editorial discussion (and a quality one), maybe this RfD page is not the right venue. There is no doubt whatsoever that, in that time and from Guérin's POV, "
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The term Schismatic Greek Church is synonymous with the above; nearly everybody uses it, but it is at times inexpedient to do so, if one would avoid wounding the feelings
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All instances in Knowledge (XXG) are actually taken from the 1874 travel account in Palestine by Victor Guérin, a Catholic, of which the original is in French and found
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of this redirect because it is unreasonable and highly redundant. It has been seldom used and it is currently orphan. I am aware of the existance of redirects such as
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There is no evidence this is a legitimate alternative name for the Anaheim Ducks. Search results are scant and unhelpful, and it's not mentioned at the target. --
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he also divide it into Grecs schismatiques, and Grec unites. And Conder and Kitchener has translated that directly. So clearly there is a division between
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The relation of Catholics with Eastern Churches is quite different now, and very different language would be used today, as shown in the 1964
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that would be widely understood by the author's contemporaries by an expression in English that would be widely understood today carrying
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The name United States International University doesn't appear in the target article. And Google's first suggestions are for
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to refer to Eastern Orthodox is actually pejorative, obsolete or at least very old-fashioned, and is not even mentioned on
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in his 1875 account of his visit to the town, it was then inhabited by 10,000 Muslims, 400 "Schismatic Greeks" (
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Old-fashioned Catholics of the time would actually probably have considered kind to call their contemporaries
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However, by a polite fiction, educated Catholics give them the name of Orthodox which they have usurped.
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of the phrase refer to descriptions of Middle Eastern communities written by
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deleting the redirects (note to closer: we seem to all agree on that)
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Well, that is only 1 (out of 7) books Guérin wrote about the region,
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Redirects for discussion
Log
September 25
September 27
September 26
Knowledge (XXG):Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 October 6#National Library of Northern Ireland
talk page
deletion review
Deryck
C.
14:59, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Historia de bulgaria (cronología)
Timeline of Bulgarian history
talk
links
history
stats
Unión de Repúblicas Socialistas Soviéticas
Soviet Union
talk
links
history
stats
Unión soviética
Soviet Union
talk
links
history
stats
Republica de finlandia

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