2125:. There are many thousands of missing articles for species and other taxa that are present at Wikispecies and other wikis but we should not be creating soft redirects to them. I often scan redlinks to create articles of species missing on Knowledge, so I can't recommend retargeting it to a parent taxon article either (were one for the genus to exist, for example). I don't understand what type of article the template documentation is referring to ("This template is only for entries that currently exist on Wikispecies and which, due to previous re-creations, are likely to be re-created in unencyclopedic form"), but this topic clearly doesn't qualify as it would make a fine encyclopedia article. —
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So many RfD regulars participated in that TfD because those two discussions were cross-posted and the general sentiment was that they needed to be solved at the same time, so the two crowds joined forces! In the end both were closed as "no consensus"; not ideal, but better than having them endorse
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character named "JD" who appears in one of the games. Neither of them are notable enough to justify a redirect and the ambiguity would only confuse a potential reader. —
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