Knowledge (XXG):Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 2

5248:. I have not researched the term in-depth again, but if anything has changed since my comment on the last RfD in 2018 it's that using the term to mean "vagina" has become closer to the primary topic due to a news cycle of noise from the anti-trans press in the UK in October last year regarding a (not unlikely intentional) misunderstanding of guidance from a cervical cancer charity. Yaoi does not appear on the first two pages of my search though so it definitely isn't the primary topic. If anything should be here it would be a disambiguation page or soft redirect to Wiktionary, but I'm presently neutral on whether that would be beneficial. 2718: 2758: 3155:"2023 Belgorod incident" is not plausible. "2023 Belgorod incident" gives a grand total of 2 Google results, both related to Knowledge (XXG). "incident" is an ambiguous word which I seriously doubt anyone will use to find a certain event unless it is popularly known under such word. Which is not the case of anything that has happened in Belgorod this year. We can't gift everything to readers, they will have to put a minimum effort into looking up the article they want to read. 725:. I mean, it's just a day? There's nothing significant about the fact that it's on a day of the year. It becomes incredibly inconvenient to maintain (every time an article is written on a January 1 earthquake, it needs to get added to the disambiguation page that people might not even know about). Earthquakes happen on New Year's Eve, Christmas and Valentine's Day too, but I wouldn't expect there to be pages dedicated to those topics, much less " 5559: 4814: 2624: 2605: 2586: 65: 762:. Utopes' stance is a reasonable one for them to hold, but it's not one that is particularly relevant. What matters is that people, rightly or wrongly (and it is irrelevant to us which it is), do call an earthquake that happen on 1 January a "New Year's Day earthquake" and so that term is used to find articles on Knowledge (XXG). They also do this with other named days, c.f. 733:", and etc. Then there's the other natural disasters, or even ANY recurring event that takes place on ANY random day. My stance is that there are no "New Year's Day earthquakes", just earthquakes that take place on January 1st, just as they take place on any other day in the calendar. I don't think this is a good dab-page precedent; search engines are built for these terms. 4907: 2706: 5657: 2712: 5883: 5452:... because in a situation where a term is ambiguous and there is no clear target for a primary topic, Search is a better way of finding results, and Search is hindered by a spurious redirect. There are 4 mentions of the adjective-noun "bonus hole" in enwiki: three are about a computer game and pinball, one is about transgender sexuality. 495: 3045: 173: 2746: 2752: 210:: I'm actually doing a rewatch of the show right now and it's hard not to notice how often the name of the company is brought up. It's the fictional subsidiary of GE / parent company of NBC in 30 Rock. My gut says it's a useful redirect because I actually planned on looking up whether it was a real company or not. 242:, I've been rewatching the show as well, which is how I came across this redirect and nominated it because there was sadly no information about Sheinhardt. I almost think that there should be a page for things in 30 Rock that aren't characters but are notable elements of the show to have their own article. Maybe 2454: 5265:. I'm also happy with MikuthoH's suggestion to retarget, and no longer support deletion, but I'm still not sure that this is the only encyclopaedic use of the term. As we do have encyclopaedic content though a soft redirect is no longer appropriate (especially as that target includes a link to Wiktionary). 184:

For fans of the show, this redirect's connection is obvious as Sheinhardt is mentioned throughout the show; however, a fan of the show would also know to search for 30 Rock if looking for information on the show. For others though, this redirect targetting 30 Rock without mention could confuse people

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Yes, apologies for the lack of clarity; by 'weak keep' I mean 'do not necessarily delete'; I do not support a keep as a redirect to its current target. I do not think the current target is directly suitable to 'host' the more general topic 'genderphobia'. Hence, either retarget it (to, for example,

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be re-written in a way that doesn't mention this exact name is borrowing trouble from tomorrow. Even if it did, "not mentioned" technically isn't a reason to delete except when the un-mentioned name is "novel or very obscure". It gives the example of the title being translated into a language that

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I created the page and it was initially titled that because I wanted to avoid calling it “strikes” or “shelling” because it was not confirmed if that was what it was at the time, because both Ukraine and Russia have blamed each other for it. So instead, I titled it “2023 Belgorod incident”, so that

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enable that term to find articles." because it justifies the existence of some nonsensical redirects for the sole reason that X people call something Y. People call things a lot of other things, but not all things need to be redirected. In any case, I can agree that disambiguation may be the safer

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On review of CommunityNotesContributor's linked PDF, this is a nuanced term, and should not be assumed to include fear/dislike of non-conforming genders such as transphobia (which one might think from looking at the 'popular' online dictionaries). Since we do not have a suitable target, deletion

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A term not mentioned at the target page. Thinking about this title from a literal perspective, I would imagine that genderphobia would be a "fear of gender" / "phobia of gender" rather than anything necessarily trans related. It seems as if these are completely different topics. Even if the

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and there could also be a section on Kabletown? I'm not sure if that would end up being able to be notable enough to be its own article, but the 30 Rock article itself is too large to fit it into in my view, so I think an article like that could be helpful just for readability purposes.

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should have also been included in this discussion. If we're deleting the version that has en-dashes, which would be considered the proper title, then we should also delete the one that includes hyphens. I understand if the closer does not want to delete this redirect as well though.

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should not be deleted for the same reason, or did you see something particular about 2023 Belgorod incident? How is deletion making it harder to trace the history in the logs? If you are referring to the move / rename history, it's all captured in the target page's history as edit

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as a harmless alternative to deletion; other song/album possibilities can be added in the dab's See Also section if wanted, but totally optional and doesn't affect the decision (equating peaking and peakin', with the latter being a variation of the former).

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and add those earthquakes listed by the nom as entries there. Readers are likely to use this search term and a dab page would be most helpful for them. I agree the redirect might cause confusion, but I don't see any reasons why a dab shouldn't exist.

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there is an explanation of Sheinhardt, but it's an odd target and if the page is restructured, which seems to happen often on list of character pages, then it could be back to not being helpful. I think it might be best that this redirect is deleted.

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have other instances of disasters with the named date in front. Those look to be brought about by exceptional circumstances, and I can imagine this too being an exceptional circumstance as a major earthquake. Admittedly I'm

2275:. I've added a hatnote there for the film, which is a good idea regardless of the outcome here. DIFFCAPS allows redirecting to the film, but does not require it, and the film is a relatively minor topic. -- 5498:

When I actually started drafting a dab, I saw that the game-related mentions are not used as terms, but as a manner of saying that they are extra. So maybe Delete. The Transgender term may be recreated as

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It's not very clear what resolution is being proposed here, considering the nominator seemed to have changed their opinion about what to do with the redirect after another participant commented???

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I think it could be mentioned at 30 Rock in some capacity, which would be enough to justify the redirect. It's not like the company isn't relevant to the show with just how much it's mentioned.

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The reasons for deletion (e.g., "euphemistic" and "made up") are reasons to not have the page at that title any longer. They are not reasons to delete a redirect, break incoming links, etc.

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because I've since retargeted 3 of those redirects. I know much more than I did back then and I see exactly how and why I made those mistakes. I believe it had to do with the dates listed at

4502:. I am unconvinced that there is any article on Knowledge (XXG) that elucidates this term of art. If that changes, this could be recreated, or even an article could be created at this title ( 3923:

I find it extremely unlikely a user would search any of the topics on the disambiguation page this way; they'd almost certainly be looking for a topic we don't cover, presumably this song. --

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to a different page? Wherever this redirect points to, I feel its a MUST to at least mention and define the word "genderphobia", else it gets inappropriately equated to similar topics.

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Ah; thank you for explaining. In this case, I'm not certain that all of these should be deleted, but I'm still unsure about some — for example, I highly doubt anybody actually uses "

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definition of a "phobia of gender-nonconforming individuals" is taken into account, it's still not a very useful redirect if its use or definition is never discussed at the page.

5954:. I don't remember making this. The target was the first season they were in the NFL but, as the target mentions, their third season overall. Not a good redirect josh, not good. 5871: 5651: 2637:

UEFA Euro Azerbaijan-Denmark-England-Germany-Hungary-Italy-Netherlands-Romania-Russia-Scotland-Spain 2020; FIFA World Cup Argentina–Morocco–Paraguay–Portugal–Spain–Uruguay 2030

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per above. For those of us here in the U.S. South, dropping the "g" at the end of a gerund is a common speech pattern. No other suitable target has been suggested either. -

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with references there definitely linking it as a related to transphobia, so the redirect seems appropriate and a mention of the term could be added to the target article.

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per Dimawik. Domain is ambiguous and so is Domain separation (just search for "domain separation" within enwiki). Qualifying the term with cryptography disambiguates it.

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this redirect. If someone wants to make an article with an actual analysis of post-war Germany and Japan, they could do so - and maybe with a more encyclopedic name...

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It is not helpful to redirect to a target that has no mention of the subject in question. These redirects do imply that these songs charted, so they may be notable per

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One more attempt at consensus. Seems that "disambiguate" and "delete" are the front runners at this time. (Someone may want to consider drafting a disambiguation page.)

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who are looking for information on Sheinhardt only to see that it redirects to 30 Rock without an explanation as to the connection between the two. It seems that at

5356:. This is evidently ambiguous (and no-one here has considered the use in games), and use of Search would be better than a redirect which may be confusing. Consider 5038:.. the de-industrialisation programme in Japan was implemented to a lesser degree than the one in Germany. Japan received emergency aid from GARIOA, as did Germany. 5036:

per the others. I could not find a suitable target. The Germany section of Aftermath of World War II does not have a comparison with Japan. The Japan section has:

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I'm not sure what the optimal outcome for this title is, but this redirect doesn't seem to make any sense. For example, it could also be referring to something at

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is long enough to leave this open. Though the consensus was very mixed, there were clearly more editors in favor of retargeting or deleting (i.e. a change in the

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That's fair as well, thank you for the links to parallel examples re:Good Friday earthquake and Boxing Day tsunami! I'm willing to retract my !vote in favor of a

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One more attempt at consensus, given that I'm not sure that a "no consensus" close will resolve this discussion due to the minimal support for a "keep" option.

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is a disambiguation page and could be a plausible target (and the song could be a plausible entry on the dab as well). No opinion on most of the rest.

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What an odd redirect... I don't think it has any value in keeping. There doesn't look to be any serious comparison of Germany and Japan at the

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Ambiguous and euphemistic. There were many other things that happened in Belgorod this year, I don't see this being useful to readers.

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so I declined. In any case, I believe this is ambiguous and it has not been shown to be a reasonably widely used way to refer to the

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Only if there are are any (notable) earthquakes that have happened on Chinese New Year that are called "New Year's Day Earthquake".

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to read articles. The redirect is not practical and we don't have the obligation of accommodating it if it is giving us problems.

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I've added four more redirects created by the same user for similar reasons; the units are not the only target for any of these.

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I'm a Southerner too, so sure, I've heard this frequently, but how often do you see it sincerely used in writing (as opposed to

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Genderphobia must be understood in relation to homophobia and transphobia because they are easy to conflate but quite distinct.

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If transphobia is unsuitable as a target (which in its current state, I agree), then would your suggestion be instead to

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It's entirely plausible that someone could look this up after hearing it aurally if they're unfamiliar with the dialect.

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Why do you think that people are not using plausible search terms to read articles? Why is this redirect not practical?

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article. Moreover, you're right - war crimes are only one of the ways a "Germany vs Japan" comparison can be made.

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Knowledge (XXG):Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 11#England YYYY (Association football event) redirects

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But change (e.g. as a disambiguation page per CommunityNotesContributor and Quantling, or to as a redirect to

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I created this as a redirect, but I don't know if this is the primary topic. Opening up for discussion.

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I've just realised that what appears to be a Latin letter "M" is actually a "Μ", a Greek capital letter

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has no connection to the subject matter – this would apply, e.g., if someone created a redirect for the

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per Super as vague and made up. It is harder to justify a disambig under this title. We have redirects

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which deals with the post-war period in both countries with some limited comparisons between the two.

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would be ambiguous for a and b), with the only reason to delete being that they're varying degrees of

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 2, 2024.

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or a disambiguation page, because that other unit's symbol differs in more than just capitalization.

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wouldn't cause confusion, perhaps an opportunity to highlight other notable earthquakes on this date

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I think that this redirect should be deleted. It is unnecessary and unlikely to be used, given that

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Keep as primary target per Russell and hatnote if we have another page with other Jan 1 earthquakes.

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might be considered. A DAB page would not really serve well either, under this interpretation. —

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if you think just this is not a good redirect, look at the 30+ similar "first season" redirects

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a DAB page, that lists all the existing subtopics, like homophobia, etc.), or retarget it to

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