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1800:). One of the things we looked into was whether the most popular articles showed signs of stable popularity, or whether they were breaking news events that had short-term significant changes in popularity. We found that 46% of the most popular articles (over the course of a month) showed signs of spikes in popularity, and suggested that Knowledge (XXG) could benefit from a "rapid response team" that could work on those articles. I expect that this to some extent already happens, but having a central place for discussion and coordination seems to me to be a good idea. Cheers, 1074:
and just not worth having things tangled. Second, there really should be a 48-hour waiting period... this would obviously run contrary to NOTNEWS, BREAKING, CRYSTAL, CAFETERIA, etcetera, and less obviously it would run against DUE and NPOV. Functionally, it simply takes a while for the WEIGHT of something to develop, and for responses and further info to emerge. Plugging in that mornings feed simply is poor practice as the daily viral usually seems to not last and too often turns out to die due to falsehood. I have seen it repeatedly at the
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critical decisions or issues may leave problem(s) with an article for a while, as this issue may not merit a discussion on a more general purpose noticeboard. Having a centralised noticeboard for problems relating to current events which don't merit more general noticeboard discussions seems like a good idea. However, my support is based on the presumption that this noticeboard will be well trafficked and checked by editors experienced in the area of current events.
1393:. Both of these discussions are unrelated to one another. At issue for both is a needed understanding on the current importance of this event and what details are needed for this encyclopedia. What would be most helpful for these articles is if they were discussed in a centralized location where editors who understand the context behind these events can contribute. At the least, a central noticeboard could have been used to notify users of both discussions. 565:. I think that this is definitely worth a try. Although we have noticeboards for NPOV and RS and BLP, Knowledge (XXG) clearly has a hard time dealing with current events (where historical perspective is lacking). And there is something to be said for a noticeboard that comes before the dispute has to go to ANI. I've been concerned for a long time about how we are dealing (or not dealing) with current events, and this strikes me as a very worthwhile idea. -- 1264:
inform their edits. How can a noticeboard help with that problem, or will it exacerbate it? How can a noticeboard help good editors with good intentions, who aren't accustomed to editing in an environment of freedom of press limitations, better participate? I am wanting to be convinced one way or another, but my overall experience with noticeboards is that they become a gathering place for abusive and uninformed tribalism.
684:- I like the idea of a trial period for this. It's a little hard to predict what shape its content will take, but it's true this occupies a great deal of space on other noticeboards. Whether we want to admit it, it concerns something that is (a) important, (b) procedurally controversial, and (c) subject to a wide range of problematic editing, such that it may be useful to centralize the discussions. — 42: 927:. I am however aware that current events since at least June 2016 have been not only highly unusual but also influenced, obscured, obfuscated, deflected, and utterly misrepresented in a concerted effort by multiple international groups, individuals, and publications, and therefore such a noticeboard might have some use. However, as Andy says, that's what article talkpages are for, and what 1601:: What about ongoing or failed nominations for ITN, or articles that have not been nominated but there is a dispute about something that is in the news nonetheless? This noticeboard would cover them too? Have in mind that, at any given time, there are hundreds of articles that are "in the news" in some capacity, but only a selected handful are featured at the ITN section of the main page. 56:
concerns of some of the opposing editors, in my opinion, as they would have an opportunity of seeing how the noticeboard is working in real-time and formulate their opinion accordingly. Reading everyone's opinions, I am inclined to agree that a current events noticeboard will probably be net positive. Hence, we will run the formulation of the Current events noticeboard for a
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mornings NYT lead is going to be a major historical item and the only way we can reliably know is in retrospect of at least a few days to see if it grows or dies. It’s also just not worth the loss in quality and reliability to be going on with the latest half-baked emerging info. Quality lies at least partly in restraint. Cheers
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the controversial current events discussions are already sufficiently prominent that we do not really need to advertise them further. The net effect of this would be to add another layer to the disputes on those subjects, which is the last thing we need. I originally supported, but I now think this
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only covers a handful of articles linked from the Main Page, and there are many other articles that would benefit from this noticeboard. Current events attract a lot of traffic. Affected articles become volatile, and the list of affected articles is constantly changing. With this noticeboard, editors
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While I don't see anything bad with the proposal or idea, I am neutral because the proposal and extra info does not really explain if there is a need for such a noticeboard. I understand that if it exists, editors and readers will find it and so it will be used, but have there been cases relating to
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do good jobs regarding articles for the ITN section of the main page. For more general discussion of article content, I'd expect that subject-specific noticeboeards/wikiproject pages would be more useful as editors there will be more familiar with events of the type that has happened, where to look
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as well as articles that have not been nominated would be covered by this notice board but only if there is some sort of issue relating to content. I suspect that ITN articles on the main page would be frequent flyers for this board, however as they are more traffic'd. Thank you for your question!
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way we go about things related to current events kind of have leaves people with less of a voice in the matter if they have trouble navigating the system. As for why one can't reach out to the WikiProjects, I don't feel like that would go away with this noticeboard. In fact, when that does happen,
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what's wrong with reaching out to the various wikiprojects for input when an article in their area of interest is also a current event? As a "regular" at ITN/C, my concern with your proposal is a narrow cabal of informal arbiters determining the "significance" of article content in a wide range of
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so this would seem setting up a competing location fighting against that, and also functionally having two locations of discussion would make it harder to identify where an edit was discussed or even have two differing consensus. It would need additional guidance and work to have things untangled,
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than to create yet another noticeboard. We don't need a central place so that random editors can bring a dispute to a wiki-expert; we need a mobile team of editors who are willing to go directly to the affected articles (and to other noticeboards, e.g., to BLPN for a dispute about a current event
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There are a lot of unresolved questions regarding the coverage of content related to current/recent events. Several of the current practices are questionable and there is a need for further discussion in this area to establish firm, clear and convincing consensuses on inclusion policies. A central
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and the talk page of the article. The idea about WikiProjects talk pages being the place for these discussions may not always be possible, as the activity level of a WikiProject is variable and dependent on many factors (inc. time of the year). Having to rely on their activity for potentially time
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My other concern is that informing even good, neutral, experienced Wikipedians about context and history re Venezuelan events so they can make helpful edits takes considerable time; in the absence of a free press or independent judiciary, even helpful Wikipedians need a lot of background to help
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process and secondly, feasibilty and usefulness of the new noticeboard in actually being a net positive for the project. Editors in favour of establishment for such a noticeboard have also highlighted that this idea deserves an exploratory trial at the very least — this would also alleviate the
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page, most recently the Buzzfeed flap, that posting this morning feed wastes tons of editor time on OR assertions and speculation. Posting each story du jour also simply winds up a poor narrative quality in a disjointed diary collection of mostly unremarkable tidbits. Ultimately, not EVERY
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does not have sort of the same issues as the ones you described. I'm not saying they do a bad job, but theoretically that could be the case. This might not happen there because a noticeboard is supposed to bring more attention to an issue (not less) by leaving things more transparent. The
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I'm neutral here - I've nominated pages at ITNC that clearly weren't ready simply because they were about high-profile current events and needed more editors. It's technically against the rules, but IAR is a rule too. If this makes it easier to find editors for articles such as
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is a guideline that needs interpretation (not an absolute prohibition on covering news events) and that long lists of formulaic tweets from random celebrities are not encyclopaedic (if they belong anywhere it's on Wikiquote) I'm not sure what value a new noticeboard will bring.
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It could end up that editors post there and a few days later someone comes along to help out; this time could have been spent dealing with the problem if it was taken to AN. Therefore, because my argument for support is based on a presumption, I will leave it as a weak
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I cannot for the life of me figure out why violating NOTNEWS would be considered a good thing. Is too much emphasis on not violating NPOV next? And anyway, the existence of a noticeboard does not mean that only a single kind of opinion would be tolerated there.
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I'm aware of this RfC but haven't commented because it is pretty hard to judge whether this noticeboard would be helpful or not until it is actually created and used - simply because it depends on who (if any) shows up and what sort of issues are brought there.
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is that the facts are not always clear. It is also more difficult to manage since generally people may make edits on less well trafficked articles related to the event. Determining consensus in those events is much more difficult. For example,
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I have moved to support, because what else can we do, but my prediction is that the tenditious editors who show up on every current event will just use the board as a gathering place for coordinating their POV launches. Let's hope I'm wrong.
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members of the project will be able to have a place to alert more people of the issue. The job of this noticeboard would be to make those decisions that they already have to make more timely. Did I answer your question because I hope so? ―
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Not to worry-- I just wanted to take my time to think about it. When an article I edit was hit with tendentious editing, I decided those folks would show up, with or without a noticeboard, so may as well have the board! Best regards,
817:) so it'd be nice if there were a centralized place to discuss such things prior to creating such an article. So as an example of a possible use case for such a proposed current events noticeboard: Just today, there was that 1741:
My advice would be to keep it open longer. It hasn't really been open that long, in that RfCs typically stay open for a month unless the responses are pretty much unanimous, and this one is important enough to be listed at
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Noticeboards on Knowledge (XXG) are administration pages where editors can ask questions and request assistance from people who are familiar with the policies and guidelines covered by each individual board.
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Please do not feel pressure to !vote support if you still have reservations. I would rather the proposal fail than see it succeed with reluctant supporters. It will be of no offense to me personally.
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Knowledge (XXG) has become an important news source for millions. We need a few more mechanisms to help support our efforts in this area and IMO a notice board is more likely to help than hinder.
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to learn a bit about who he is or for a refresher). Getting the wrong information in those cases can do serious damage to not only our credibility but for the health and wellbeing of others.
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It seems the most practical way of attracting a wider variety of editors to these discussions,and keepingtogether discussions which can on occassion overload some of the other noticeboards.
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for good sources and what (parts of) news reports written by non-specialists are useful and which (bits) are just nonsense or trivia. Beyond enough clueful people to repeatedly say that
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As far as I am aware, there is no central place where users can go to ask questions specific to News and Knowledge (XXG). For policies, guidelines, essays, etc. on the site we have:
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and wait for someone to bring me a question. Noticeboards work better when the problems are small and portable. The disputes being described here are neither small nor portable.
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I'm too involved to close the discussion, but I may create the page later today (with the caveat that it will be G6/G7 deleted if there is a consensus here not to have the page).
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that single-article talk page discussions are kept to article talk. This will certainly be a useful noticeboard, e.g. for posting notifications about other discussions (except
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and suffering for a lack of contributors (there are about 4 good editors there who are overwhelmed by the IPs and news updates), so I'm not sure a noticeboard will help.
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as I feel Current Events lie somewhere in the intersection of many different discussion boards. I consider it best for us to attempt at higher standards with articles in
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trial period of 9 months extending upto 1 year, after which should editors object to the functioning of the noticeboard, they should raise the issue through an AN RfC. --
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Forums, but you are probably right that it is exacerbated by a board having a narrower subject matter. Not to diminish your concern, but I am sort of failing to see how
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see my comments below in neutral, hope the good outweighs the harm, need a centralized place to deal with tendentious editors who find their way to current events.
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working so diligently to make sure it was accurate, it would be a completely different article. We can't rely on editors like them for every single article, though.
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current events where such a noticeboard would have helped? I think if such a need is shown, so that the noticeboard would then be useful, I would move to support.
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who are familiar with handling these types of situations would be able to easily see and contribute to all of the articles of this nature that need attention. —
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there seems to be consensus to at least try this out. Can we perhaps get an early close? We don't need too much bureaucracy here. In the meantime, the
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As for why a wikiproject would not be sufficient, it could be, but I don't know how appropriate it would be. My concern with current events is similar to
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Example Three, it is also decently well known that articles and links on the front page are more heavily vandalized. The difficulty with articles
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the nominator has been able to address my concern on whether the noticeboard would be useful. I think that it would be useful when issues and
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Seriously though, They are entitled to their concerns. I am not in the position of validating them or whatnot. I just try to address them. ―
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already attract attention and discussion on their talk pages. Another noticeboard would tend to generate forum shopping and canvassing.
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at least as a trial. Too many current events cross BLP and NPOV and RS issues to make those noticeboards necessarily the best place. --
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the place. If there are behavioral, RS or BLP issues there, the noticeboards already exist. I can't see much of a purpose for this. --
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the establishment of a Current events noticeboard. However, there are also reservations for the purposes of redundancy with existing
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OPPOSE - as running contrary to multiple WP, and functional issues. First, the talk pages are the place to talk about content per
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Will a noticeboard provide that, or will it become just another noticeboard for power-hungry bullies to congregate (eg COIN)?
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this is a common problem and a good idea that's worth a trial. Run well, this would be a net positive for our project. --
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Re four overwhelmed, yes. What we need is help from bilinguals, help keeping the talk page in order, help dealing with
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so people can try to collaborate on how to describe this noticeboard in parallel with the request for comments.
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Okay, now that housekeeping is out of the way; I can go into more details. According to
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is an appropriate place, as the scope of the proposed page would be for more than just
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Thanks MJL, you did, and it could be my concern is itself a fringe theory. Thanks. --
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and others' concerns as well. The noticeboard is quite different because there is no
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per Markbassett. If you want to keep up to date what are current events, go to
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I suppose I have not considered whether the noticeboard being something like
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The examples in the discussion section convince me that it could be useful.
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and other venues are for. I would appreciate the opinion of, for instance,
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links to Centralized Discussion. CURN is the only available option.
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I suppose that is sort of an issue with all 8: 1861:Including the Talk pages of its participants 898:involving living people) and solve problems 1650:to create new articles, despite the news). 890:I think that it would be more effective to 2111: 1819: 1464:This is an event where details can change 923:as placing too much emphasis on violating 895:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Current events 2035:User talk:Swarm#Accepting Adoptees still? 1619:, yes ongoing and failed nominations for 1432:whether or not Qatar supports the Taliban 2146:Talk:2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis 1836:Knowledge (XXG):Village pump (proposals) 1023:Beats me; I don't work here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ― 842:That's what article talk pages are for. 47:The general consensus of the editors is 1224:I'm all for it -- but that article is 1197:Knowledge (XXG):In the news/Candidates 156: 7: 272:Sounds reasonable, probably useful. 28:The following discussion is closed. 18:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment 1222:2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis 987:policy unlike other noticeboards. ― 667:- Support as potentially useful. -- 2174:Previous Comment on Village Pumped 2030:Knowledge (XXG):Village pump (all) 2005:User talk:MJL/Archive 4#No Heading 752:noticeboard would help with this. 24: 2000:Further mentioned or Located at: 1846:Knowledge (XXG) talk:Noticeboards 777:problems (and related ones, like 369:Thank you for your contributions. 2227:The discussion above is closed. 1851:Knowledge (XXG) talk:In the news 1193:Knowledge (XXG) talk:In the news 183:. 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