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because the community is presented with someone who wants to, and has the capacity to, contribute usefully to articles. Yet at the same time he poisons the atmosphere of some articles on which he works, particularly when there's a whiff of contentiousness. Unfortunately even when someone brings some amount of value to editing content, if they ultimately can't work well with others on this kind of scale, they often find themselves escorted out the door.
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user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 21:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)), the
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Knowledge (XXG) can be a clubby place sometimes. However there seems to be a real pattern here -- the behavior he's being admonished for very clearly is happening with some frequency, it's not just an isolated incident. Worse, and to underscore this point even further, I note that he's
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1675:Summary
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1396:Parrot
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