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rejection of the criterion. Passing over the nomination for another admin to deal with is perfectly acceptable, but not declining it. Speedy deletions are discretionary, but that doesn't mean the discretion can properly be denied its exercise by an admin just because the admin is unsure of its application. I'm also unsure of the answer to 4.b - has the question been answered the wrong way around or am I confused? Nonetheless, the editor is a tireless and valued contributor to AfDs, albeit sometimes I find his explanations for his votes (as some of his answers here) a little on the brief side. --
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241:. Michig called me a troll and kept on reverting my edits in AfD. I tried to remain as civil as possible again, but it kept escalating. I will always try my best to remain civil no matter who I'm dealing with even if it seems to not be working. There are editors who got mad at me for replying to their comments a lot in AfD, but what they need to realize is that AfD is a debate and not just a vote.
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for now. The answer to 4.c. troubles me. I take "I would AfD or prod it" to mean that the nomination would be declined, not merely passed over for another admin. If unsure about how to apply a CSD criterion, an admin shouldn't just decline CSDs on that criterion. In my view, that amounts to complete
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You didn't actually explain your "interpretation" of it as asked, nor did you give any explanation of why IAR should apply to articles about one thing and not about another. To be honest, your response was so out of left field that at first I thought you had misread the question. In any case, either
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per answers to questions 7 and 8. I honestly don't understand that answer about IAR being relevant to geographical places. Plus, the reasoning you gave above for the lack of edit summaries. The fact that you didn't see them as necessary seems more than a bit troubling to me. It shouldn't take long
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tag which made a similar claim. Would you please describe your decision process here that led you to the conclusion that a CSD was not justified, but the PROD claim was reasonable? (Please note this is not meant to imply I have an issue with what you did, or that I feel it was wrong; I simply want
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kept on assuming bad faith towards me just because I disagreed with him when it comes to software notability. No matter how much I remained civil, it kept on escalating. We did end up resolving our differences peacefully which is great after many days of a long argument that seemed to be getting
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I am surprized that I am here, as I instantly recognized your name as a sound contributor to AfD. That being said, after looking over this RfA and your talk page I have some questions about your communication style. Your replies are always very short and sometimes give what are obviously wrong
1436:- It sounds like you don't think much of edit summaries. Me, like most other contributors, do. I cannot support someone with a low edit summary usage, especially absolutely none this month. Otherwise, it is mostly per Auntie E. for this one, and that remark you gave him. Sorry.
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you were thinking about, did not seem to demonstrate good communication skills. Either way, it's certainly not a big enough deal to oppose over, and I don't really know much else about you, but this was fresh in my mind when I noticed the RfA so I wanted to let you know.
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impressions on readers, such as your reply to Auntie E. above. I don't doubt your reading of consensus or policy at all, but I do have worries that you could unintentionally flare up disputes instead of calming them down. Sorry.
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for an editor to find out what a PITA when others don't use one, and that should be impetus enough to begin using them yourself. To me, these responses show you aren't quite knowledgeable enough yet for the bit, sorry.
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when it comes to species and geographical places (which is community consensus so no article like that has a chance of being deleted) when I !vote in AfD, but I wouldn't use IAR in admin work.
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Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve
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adding species stubs, whatever else you do on wikipedia. --
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