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1474:- (ec x 3) I'm sorry, but I just can't support. The concerns raised in the oppose section are just to much to ignore. While you have improved greatly since you've gotten here, you still need more time. The copyvios brought up by Metros were too recent, in addition to rollback removal. Travellingcari also makes a good point about how he can give in after repeated asking. Being an admin requires you to hold fast to some decisions. I'm a little nervous not as much to someone who would go crazy with the block button, but the unblock button. I hate to oppose someone who is so dedicated to the project, who has lots of potential, but the concerns are just too much to support. I'd just prefer more time here.
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Balloonman, Useight, I'm flattered by your nominations. I'm honored and happy to accept, hoping that this may help me serve our community in the best way I possibly can. In my experience in participating in RfAs and watching administrators and what they do as a
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