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1901:. While plenty of support exists for the proposition that AfD is a bad general solution, and particular topic areas have suffered, I'm not aware of any great progress. The main practical step has been to have more speedy and PROD deletions, to take the pressure off AfD. Unfortunately CSD A7 ('no assertion of notability') has become a deletionist charter to act unilaterally; and IMX the same can be said about PROD. So I doubt 'existing practice' is a sound concept, absent some advance. 2759:
Clerks and Arbitrators should use this section to clarify their understanding of the final decision--at a minimum, a list of items that have passed. Additionally, a list of which remedies are conditional on others (for instance a ban that should only be implemented if a mentorship should fail), and
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4) Discussion may continue regarding rejected proposals and, if support develops for them, they may be revived. However, while such discussion continues, their status as a rejected proposal should be maintained. Polls would be appropriate only if substantial interest in the proposal developed and a
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Conditional votes for or against and abstentions should be explained by the Arbitrator before or after his/her time-stamped signature. For example, an Arbitrator can state that she/he would only favor a particular remedy based on whether or not another remedy/remedies were passed.
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4) The removal of the straw-poll from the talk page of Knowledge (XXG):Non-notability by Radiant and Doc Glasgow increased the intensity of the dispute rather than cooled it down, something that could have been anticipated by these experienced administrators.
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edits policy-related pages frequently by engaging in edit wars on project pages and in incivility on talk pages. He treats Knowledge (XXG) as a battleground, and is therefore a disruptive editor of policy, guideline, and essay pages and their talk pages. See
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It tends to do this by explaining or clarifying its principles and substantive decisions by reference to policy and guideline pages; this is surely not the making of policy as such, but a commentary on its enforcement.
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Items that do not receive a majority "support" or "oppose" vote will be open to possible amendment by any Arbitrator if they so chooses. After the amendment process is complete, the item will be voted on one last
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2) Fresheneesz has shown by his comments that he fundamentally misunderstands how Knowledge (XXG) treats policy, and how it is created. He has stated that guidelines need not be reflections of common practice
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It has been an accepted policy on AFD for some time, but AFD is a very limited and quite distinct community from the Knowledge (XXG) whole. The larger community has consistently rejected such policies.
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to achieve consensus. Following the recognition by other participants that the proposal had been rejected, he continued to vigorously agitate for it, going so far as to edit war over placement of
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6) Straw polls and voting are used in a number of situations. There is a tradition which discourages excessive voting, but no actual policy. Polls may be used when appropriate to gauge opinion.
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3) If, after a reasonable amount of discussion, it becomes clear that there is considerable opposition to a policy proposal, active discussion of it may be abandoned and it may be marked with
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Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.
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Often debated; but the debates have never achieved closure, for the general points and issues. At most certain topic areas have been clarified.
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1) Fresheneesz may be placed on probation if he continues to disrupt policy pages. Such action shall be by a successful motion at
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1) Users are expected to be reasonably courteous to each other. This becomes even more important when disputes arise. See
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3) Fresheneesz interactions with others regarding policy-related pages has frequently been uncivil and hostile. See
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7) The Arbitration committee may determine the meaning and status of policy as it relates to particular disputes.
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Proposed wording to be modified by Arbitrators and then voted on. Non-Arbitrators may comment on the talk page.
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so on. Arbitrators should not pass the motion until they are satisfied with the implementation notes.
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by any member of the Arbitration Committee after complaints received from one or more users.
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Four net "support" votes needed to close case (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support")
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I am also unsure about its acceptance among the editor and admin community as a whole.
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5) Knowledge (XXG) customs and common practices are, in proper circumstances, policy,
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On this case, 1 Arbitrators is recused and 5 are inactive, so 5 votes are a majority.
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significant number of users were engaged in the conversation regarding the proposal.
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Four net "support" votes needed to pass (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support")
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clearly failed to achieve consensus and was appropriated tagged "Rejected,", see
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Fresheneesz fundamentally misunderstands Knowledge (XXG) policy and practice
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24 hours from the first motion is normally the fastest a case will close.
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Fresheneesz has been warned many times about edit warring and incivility
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and discussing proposals with other Arbitrators, parties and others at
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Items that receive a majority "oppose" vote will be formally rejected.
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on the page and initiate a straw poll regarding the rejected policy.
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actions, while a bit aggressive, violated no substantial policy.
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5) Notability as a criterion for inclusion has been discussed at
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Only items that receive a majority "support" vote will be passed.
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AfD in effect has controlled the 'notability' issue, giving an
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Arbitrators should vote for or against each point or abstain.
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The majority being 5, as of 22:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC) all
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Removal of poll by administrators exacerbated the dispute
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Move to close. All agreed except one where we will not.
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2) Guidelines are a product of community consensus, see
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Requests for arbitration
Non-Notability
/Evidence
/Workshop
/Workshop
Knowledge (XXG):Civility
Knowledge (XXG):No personal attacks
Knowledge (XXG):Wikiquette
Fred Bauder
13:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
SimonP
17:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Charles Matthews
21:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg
22:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
➥the Epopt
21:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Matthew Brown (Morven)
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23:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Knowledge (XXG):How_to_create_policy#Guidelines_for_creating_policies_and_guidelines
Knowledge (XXG):Consensus
Fred Bauder
13:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
SimonP
17:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Charles Matthews
21:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

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