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considered this to be fortunate and it even made me consider dropping out of the entire discussion as my sole purpose or involvement in this procedure was to see a change or improvement, if you will, in relations between those contributors concerning this part of Europe and its history and culture. I had hoped the acceptance by the
Committee to mediate this ArbCom was somewhat responsible for that brief change that I perceived. This was not to be the case here, and on May 23, 2007, this evidence section was treated to some interesting revelations from P.P. about himself and how he percieves others regarding himself. To the suggestions that he had gone overboard and was responsible for original research, falsification of sources, tendentious editing, using his administrative powers to unblock disruptive and uncivil editors, removing sourced references because they didn't agree with his point of view, continually reverting items that he did not like, and a great deal of other problems he has had with many people on Knowledge (XXG), he chose instead to tell us that the real problem is Dr. Dan, Ghirlandajo, Jadger, M.K., and others, and that if somehow they "could just go away" everything would be just peachy on Knowledge (XXG). If only they could all be censored, or in someway prevented from challenging the way Polish related articles are put together by him and some of the others participating in this ArbCom, then the entire matter could be neatly wrapped up, thrown out and he could gloat that see, "I can do whatever I want. I'm bulletproof." P.P., did you ever consider that maybe where there's smoke there might be fire? That maybe, just maybe, you have crossed the line enough times that those editors that have a problem with you are not trying to wage a vendetta against you, but to get you to at least consider what you have wrought? And to stop? Because this has not been good for the Knowledge (XXG) project, and it has certainly been bad for Polish relations with virtually every neighboring country's editors on WP, those on Poland's borders (and a few that aren't). As evidence I asked those reviewing this matter to look closely at the "evidence" presented by P.P. and his suporters about Dr. Dan, and the relentless attempt to deflect from the real reason the ArbCom was brought against him. All of the complaints against Dr. Dan are not some isolated remarks that were made into thin air or are dangling like some kind of hanging
3104:." P.P. then goes to great lengths to list accusation upon accusation against me, and his friends, say yes, Hear, hear. Ditto, ditto. Funny that P.P and all those in agreement on "my bad", didn't welcome this ArbCom to begin with. No, they all fought it tooth and nail and hoped it would not be accepted. This is telling evidence in itself. I should like to think that even though it would be a pain in the butt and time consuming, that he more than anyone else would want to clear the slate and have this all looked at. But just as he would never voluntarily risk putting himself up for a vote on his retaining his administratorship (which I think he would succeed in keeping, and I have told him so in the past), he preferred to have this procedure quashed. Just in case. Why risk a possibly unfavorable outcome? I'm sorry but the issues brought to the table here, were already seeds planted and germinating long before Dr. Dan began participating in the WP project. P.P., if somehow you think that everyone telling you that you have a problem is wrong, and their claims can be deflected by a series of attacks on my person, and your proposed solution to censor me would correct the problem, that's really very sad IMHO. As further evidence I ask the Committee to look over the the
946:. I one more time will try to explain and show continues Piotrus misleading pattern. First contributor in question continues to claim “Therefore the abstract does mention YB (but under English name).” As it looks such concussion (pure OR) contributor made only because he saw name “SD troop in Vilnius”, as you may image “SD troop” in any sense is not same as German Security Police and SD Special Squad (Sonderkommando) (Sometimes shortened to YB or Ypatingasis būrys , shorten English name would sound Special Squad). It is simple to understand this, as SD had dozens of different departments and squads including 1a, 1b, III, 3/a etc. And different departments committed atrocities, for instance in Paneriai (which mentions English abstract) atrocities started to be committed in 1941 July 11d. there around 300 people there killed, but at that time there was no, in any sense, German Security Police and SD Special Squad (YB) involvement, as there is
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clearly stated in the abstract). Therefore what I should have written - in hindsight - is that 'even M.K.'s primary source in its
English summary does not mention Polish or Russian ethnicity in YB, neither do all others, but they often mention Lithuanian component of YB; further M.K.'s source in its English summary only mentions two nationalities in relation to those organizations (i.e. not as victims but as perpatrators): Lithuanians and Germans'. My apologies for any confusion, but please note that my orginal argument - that even M.K.'s primary source does not stress Polish or Russian participation in YB, while all the other sources don't talk about it but note the Lithuanian one, and thus minimazing Lithuanian participation by stressing Polish and Russian (who were primarily victims...) is violation of WP:NPOV:Undue weight - is still valid.--
1133:) so far with no effect. Please bear in mind that if M.K. updates his section or other users post their evidence my reply below may be no longer comprehensive; I however see no way to avoid it given that the party which filled the ArbCom request in the first place had 2 weeks to finish presenting their evidence. I am therefore assuming they have done so and present my reply below. I will do my best to keep this a consise summary of 1) my response to the other side's claims presented in evidence so far and 2) my claims about the other side. I will reply to current evidence in sections with a single example discussed in detail if feasible; otherwise this would be way over lenght recommended by ArbCom. If ArbCom would like me to expand on anything and address any edit/series of edits in detail, please let me know.
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conclusions? Article then specifically dealing with, lets say, general SD structure empathize that SD employed different nationalities people, while going to the more specific departments it list more specifically who was recruited, this was done specifically and then dealing with German
Security Police and SD Special Squad (Sonderkommando) (YB) by noting Poles, Lithuanians, Russians and Germans in the squad. (it is worth to remind that squad usually consisted from ~40-50 persons, while in killings participated 7-20 persons) The same findings there repeated not only in the source which we analyzing (somehow Piotrus calls it “M.K.'s primary source”) now, but and in printed versions as such "Genocidas ir rezistencija, 1997", Vol.1, p.160–175.; Polish involvement in killings there covered and in
3151:. In his statement, Piotrus says that using "socks once is as relevant as ... being convicted of 3RR once", something which I find astonishing. Is using a sock puppet on Knowledge (XXG) equal to making a revert? How can somebody use several socks only "once" which Piotrus tries to suggest? Four edits in the heat of the action in less than 24 hours can be enough for a 3RR violation, while sock puppetry involves probably several cold blooded intentional bad faith acts spread over a longer period of time. And Piotrus compares both? Anyway, the Polish user in question had used socks, but no action was taken against him, which I find hard to understand. My summary "
332:(observe edit summary) problems with references there exported and with particular living person and others directly connected article, but now problems became even more evident, presented “sources” not only did no direct concur statements in article but also there were contradicting, seeing such misuse of sources and “referenced” quotations I took necessary steps authorized by WP:LIVING policy, which states “Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion”
3124:, and asked her to block me. And she did. P.P. knows that he is on safe ground (with me anyway), because I oppose all forms of censorship, and would never "contact" someone with the ability to censor him, and then ask them to block him. Certainly not to do this act as a favor to me. That whole thing was a very sad matter, so please quit trying to make the molehill into a mountain. For what it's worth, since the block, I have definitely toned down my own rhetoric on the talk pages. Maybe this procedure will cause you to make some changes of your own regarding your own behavior. I hope so.
2710:: "it's one thing to come to -admins for sanity checking your urge to block someone, it's quite another not to flag it on ANI afterwards". In other words, it's alright to block people based on IRC discussions as long as you keep it all secret. James F may be proud: his invention works the way it was probably intended to be. Now that Piotr's activity is behind the scenes, you won't prove anything if tomorrow another of Piotr's opponents (say, Irpen, M.K. or me) is blocked by David Gerard or someone else. You will find no traces... except only in the block log.
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Poland, it would be a loss to see him go but his disruption of Poland-related articles needs to be put to an end. Some form of mentorship and adoption would be also highly advisable. Considering the neglible positivie content contributions coming from Dr. Dan at all, and vast amount of disruption, I feel that a probation from any Poland-related articles and particulary talk pages is highly advisable and the least strong solution ArbCom should utilize in regard to this editor. Finally, several users (M.K., Jadger, Dr. Dan, Irpen) should be cautioned that
660:. So that we have: a) I did not participated in MedCabal case (contrary to Piotrus) b) Former case mediator challenged Piotrus core claims about label “extremist”. So it is up to you to consider factual accuracy about claim “is POV has been proven wrong by a MedCab case”. Going to claim : “ignored by WPMIHIST reviewers…” once again incorrect as one of the involved contributors became a new moderator… It saddens me very much that misinformation is used by Piotrus even during arbitration process.
3117:", since changed to the Vilna Offensive. Tedious as it might be, reading the entire talk page would give the Committee members a better idea of what's been brought up here at this ArbCom. This is the gist of what has been said over and other at other talk pages, and reading it in its totality is much better than a snatch here or a link there. Lastly, he has made much ado about my 24 hour block for "incivility", yes the one that the administrator who blocked me herself called "controversial".
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390:, closely associated with Piotrus, reverts articles to the Piotrus versions. The feelings of not tolerated behavior surges then noticing that LUCPOL just reverts “proper version” without contributions on talk or in main space nor before nor after reverts, and in these cases Piotrus already in dispute with others. Assuming good faith I would like to ask Piotrus – do you ever asked or suggested directly or indirectly to
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time, but I do not plan to return for good. If the wiki community has to be M.K.-style - so be it, but I'm off. I continue to expand the articles I used to work on before I withdrew, but I don't plan to spend as much time on wiki as I used to. I also admit I got fed up with the rules of
Knowledge (XXG) once I saw M.K. breaking them on a daily basis - and not being punished. Does it explain the matter?
3576:. Matthead might be from Germany, but that's not a guarantee of conflict with Polish users. I must warn every objective viewer or admin, that Matthead is totally biased in this case. He is fiercely anti-Polish and nationalisticly German, this is a combination that does guarantees conflict with Polish users. I sincerely doubt Piotrus is the main contributor in the problem Matthead has with him.
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2931:, then I do not know what information warfare is. Yes, something should be done here. But who is guilty? Me, because I created this article without asking anyone's advice? Piotrus and Lysy who wanted Polish part of this story to be properly described? Or Vlad, Grafikm, and Irpen who work as a team to delete an article on undesirable subject, which blames Putin's aide
1749:...). It doesn't matter to him that he receives little support in RfC, his mediations get rejected - he keeps repeating the same accusations over and over again until his opponents are so disgusted with this harassment that they leave the project (or respective discussions and articles). Please note that M.K. is often helped and encouraged in such behaviour by Dr. Dan (
636:, which Piotrus dislikes and labels various rude comments on it without providing any academic data, despite was asked to do so (I once again ask him to present his academic sources which denounce specific claims of presented book). But going back to specific claims about “His POV has been proven wrong by a MedCab case” first I did not participated in MedCab case at
2601:, as well as some of his hostile comments above, spotlighted such level of Piotr's aggressiveness towards his opponents and such feeling of self-righteousness, that I determined to speak up on one issue, although the other parties seem to favor the policy of appeasement. As may be seen above, drama follows Piotrus wherever he goes. His favourite tricks have been
2310:"I am a Polish nationalist" to my userpage, immediately following the motto "Scholarship and nationalism are essentially incompatible" that I keep there. I am sure that every editor who knows me, M.K included, was aware that my statement of being a nationalist was a joke, and I'm disappointed to see M.K bringing it as a piece of evidence against me now here.
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he never would change his opinion. Most users lack patience to deal with this sort of double standards which is readily perceived as disruption and misuse of process. As a result, even well-meaning editors, after dealing with
Piotrus, refuse to use talk pages the way he does and start to revert war. This inevitably leads to his loud complaints on
1624:'). Most of my critics here are either 1) not productive content editors (Jadger, Dr. Dan...) whose input is mostly limited to inserting POVed statements, revert warring about them and harassment on talk or 2) content editors who have a very strong POV of their own on which they refuse to compromise; they believe (or act like) their POV is NPOV.
2668:: Irpen "has been gunning for Piotrus for some time - his edit pattern needs thorough review". Breathtaking for anyone who have actually followed Irpen's edits. But the most interesting point is that David provided on WP:RfAr a diff leading to Vlad's talk page, as if it contained some incriminating evidence against Irpen (which it did not).
1897:). Note Dr. Dan instead of apologizing denies it was offensive and basically calls claims that he might have been offensive lies and such. Quote: "I remember the entire conversation (...) and the rest of the garbage that you are lying about. (...) I never insulted your parents. That's a lie." Oh, edit summary begins 'Lies'... (also note [
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aggression against other editors, which demonstrates itself in the two examples I'm providing below. My feeling is that M.K focuses too much on warring against other editors instead of creating or improving the contents. This attitude can result in building a bad fight and personal conflict atmosphere instead of collaboration.
1098:, however only today I found out that this template was revoked back then. And it was my mistake for not scrutinizing the full picture of it, and I should wrote more clearer on these issues by directly linking the proper diff. So my remark left on article talk page in any sense is linking my remark left on users talk page.
706:(it is good that after several months without any edits he reconsidered and come back). So summarizing, then did ethnic slurs are tolerated or considered as valuable contribution (do ethnic slurs considered a contribution at all?); I think it is not valuable contribution at all, probably Piotrus has different opinion.
3096:." Then he adds "(which I deeply regret and I believe I have apologized whenever I was asked for (sic)." Really? That's very nice of you. But unfortunately not true. Then P.P. goes on to tell us all, "This is unfortunate" and actually not that big of a deal (the Committee shouldn't be bothered with it), "but with
2613:) is called "acquisition" or simply suppressed. This is a normal practice of editing, as seen by Piotrus. It's all about arguing what is "liberation" and what is "occupation". Who wins? The one who has more time and patience to carry this discussion on talk pages for days, months, weeks and (as in the case of
1505:. If Ghirla intends to once again repeat the claims that led to the previous case, than I think we should consider reopening that arbitration (where I asked for a civility parole to be put on Ghirla to stop such defamations from being repeated). Such defamations were often criticized by other editors (
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During all these years in the project, I have never seen
Piotrus concede a point on talk page. He will discuss ad nauseum but he will never back down. So what's the point of wasting all your spare time on talking if the talking leads us nowhere? Talking with Piotrus never results in a compromise, as
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The issue - was it justifiable for P. to have removed that much of the article without reaching a consensus on talk, where the issue had not been discussed in depth for several months? A consensus seems to have been reached, but were those edits responsible WP behavior on P's part? Novickas 02:23, 16
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As of 10:41, August 2, 2007, the article contained 44,081 bytes. Piotrus then made nine edits to the article; by 14:49, August 3, 2007, it contained only 37,920 bytes. These edits removed a number of references pertaining to the conduct of the offensive, and Irpen objected - a request for comment was
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The rules in event-naming offer a loophole as well: although a consensus has been reached on referring to places in the former PL-LT region by their Polish names, the names-of-events policy states that one may call events by a commonly used name. To this end he has created two DYK articles that refer
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Being from
Germany, I got involved in some disputes with Polish editors, Piotrus being one of them. He certainly is not the worst of them, but he combines a high quantity of edits (something he likes to point out) with a pattern of behaviour that reminds of the infamous "How to deal with Poles" text
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For a brief moment it appeared that this procedure was going to die out of its own volition, or at least due to lack of interest. Personally I saw signs that some of P.P.'s behavior had changed, and his editing habits had even mellowed after the acceptance by the
Committee to mediate this dispute. I
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provided by M.K does not constitute any "personal attack" as he claims, but was my rather friendly attempt to approach him in hope that he would consider admitting also other POVs, even those conflicting with the one he was presenting. I would be happy to hear ArbCom's opinion on whether this indeed
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Let me warn you back. You are not special. You are not a
Proconsul. You are not the Grand Inquisitor. You are not a minor politruk out of the Katowice woj.'s former local PZPR. You are forever threating and warning people as if you have some unique privilege to do so. (...). Loosen your żupan collar
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in question mentions both
Lithuanian names in Lithuanian main text, but uses only English names in the summary ('German security police and SD as well as of Lithuanian security police'). The usage of different names is confusing, and has confused me in March; however later I came to believe that the
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started mocking from contributors by labeling and placing them to various self-proclaimed “groups” . In this statement, Jadger, Dr. Dan was accused being “not productive”, while I was accused having “extreme POV”. These labels should not be tolerated here. Sadly Piotrus so much talks about civility,
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Be aware that arbitrators may at times rework this page to try to make it more coherent. If you are a participant in the case or a third party, please don't try to refactor the page, let the arbitrators do it. If you object to evidence which is inserted by other participants or third parties please
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on English Knowledge (XXG). Polish editors fight against the use of the traditional Cracow and insist on Kraków as the only proper English name of the town, something which alienates not only native English speakers. Piotrus claims to study in the town in question, is very busy canvassing Kraków in
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I came to WP only a few months ago. But it was surprising to see a group of Russian-speaking users who constantly attack edits of other people from the former Soviet republics (Baltics, Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova), and also from the former Soviet satellite countries (mostly Poland and Romania).
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I have neither energy nor time to dig for diffs. They may be easily found by anyone who gives himself the trouble of examining some controversial page actively edited by both Piotrus and Irpen. As I have said in my statement, I have no particular interest in the outcome of this arbitration. Piotrus
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refers to a question about above post being incivil as 'an attempt to censor me'. Further, accusses his opponents of 'adding, reverting, or deleting information', 'a series of veiled threats and warnings to myself and others, with an almost gloating and smug-like quality to his having engineered my
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In my view I did nothing wrong in this case, first I had a question and with this question I did not run to various forums, but contrary, contacted specific contributor - explain myself, and give him the opportunity to do the same. After additional information, which I receive from him I politely
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on RfAr: "Those aren't very nice things he says about Piotrus: "Remember that Piotrus will try to reduce the content disputes to civility issues and eagerly try to paint you an abusive user every time he gets the chance." I don't know whether they're true, but they're Irpen's opinion, and what's
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M.K's reaction to the two examples I provided above was not to address my concerns but to tarnish my name and provide evidence against me instead. Sadly, this reaction confirms the very problem that I complained about: his aggressive and bad faith attitude towards fellow editors. The evidence that
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Going to another “adjusted” remark “but they often mention Lithuanian component of YB” and “that even M.K.'s primary source does not stress Polish or Russian participation in YB” wondering how contributor, who completely does not know the language in which article is written makes such strong
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Next going to long part of diffs which starting “which should fall under wikistalking” if users who listed there DGG, Connolley, Irpen, etc thinks that I somehow attacked them let they speak here. In these cases Piotrus just picked my answers, but forgot to add his own, lets correct this error
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But I will comment starting from “He has disrupted Poland-related…”. Crimes committed by Polish criminals during WWII in small countries and specific regions are described very limited or non existent in English sources, so we have to really on local historians, official institutions; one of the
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made his first Main Space edit by flagging the article with disputed {{NPOV-title}} tag only after the article was already 6,244 characters long, 3 months after it appeared on the front page of Knowledge (XXG) in section "Did You Know?", and after a long period of thoughtful and prudent editing by
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that was not in response to some similar kind of provocation by the others involved here. Please read them closely, and take the time to read the preceeding remarks leading up to them. Let everyone heed this specific quote by P.P. "Incivility. It has been shown by all sides in this conflit (sic),
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article states that "Warning others to assume good faith is something which should be done with great care, if at all". PP has invoked the good faith assumption on his own behalf at least twice recently to my knowledge: "My dear Lokyz, I find it very unfortunate that you'd interpret my good faith
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It is my belief that M.K. should be warned to stop harassment of me and other editors (like Halibutt and Lysy) under a threat of a block, and put on probation from Poland-related articles. Majority of his positive contributions are in the field of Lithuanian architecture and history, unrelated to
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Contributor conducted some sort of content analysis, if I remember ArbCom investigation pattern, committee do not investigate a content, but if administrator Piotrus thinks that the specific area should be discussed I have obligation to present contra argumentation of his claims. First, if I not
278:, instead of acknowledging his mistakes he tried blame bad faith contributor, and if contributor who reported him, indeed had bad faith and the block was unjustified there had to be issued an technical block to denounce previous one at least. There is no such, so we can see that he breached the
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As such, it is extremely important that you use the prescribed format. Submitted evidence should include a link to the actual page diff; links to the page itself are not sufficient. For example, to cite the edit by Mennonot to the article Anomalous phenomenon adding a link to Hundredth Monkey use
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the following: Do you understand Russian well enough to realize that "...it is better to come to an agreement than to be killed by knife" (Пацанские распальцовки на стрелках -- всё-таки цивилизованнее, чем заточка в бок), and that "someone must be punished for making too much noise" (Западло не
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That's why I am downbeat at the outcome of the present arbitration. Instead of soliciting blocks of his opponents on-wiki, Piotrus will do the same on IRC. Even ArbCom is powerless to deal with that. I'm afraid that, notwithstanding the final decision, this open examination of his behaviour will
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I said it numerous times and I'll say it once again. I left because M.K, Ghirlandajo and others slandering my good name here and there. I asked for assistance numerous times, I asked them to provide any proof for their claims - to no avail. After some months I started returning here from time to
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explicitly states that one must "Always look at search results, don't just count them". This rule is NOT explicitly stated in the personal naming section. This loophole was used by PP to rename an existing article and put it up as a DYK, although the Google hit research was, to use a relatively
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In addition to the general offensive tone of the post, AND an accusation of vandalism, that user, which - repeat - has never started or significantly expanded an aritcle, is accusing the 63 and 169 most active editors of "Quit playing games with history and propagandizing a Polish nationalistic
1398:(the 'SD troop in Vilnius' reference in the abstract, YB were a Vilnius organization). Therefore the abstract does mention YB (but under English name). Next, the abstract only mentions two nationalities as related to those organizations: German and Lithuanian, although indeed it indeed does not
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In the initial case I posted some evidence regarding this problem and now I elaborate on this issue, as it is very important not only to particular involved parties but and Knowledge (XXG) general, as such violations leaves Knowledge (XXG) vulnerable. Violation of this policy directly involves
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in your own section. Please limit your evidence to a maximum 1000 words and 100 diffs; a shorter, concise presentation is more likely to be effective. Please focus on the issues raised in the complaint and on diffs which illustrate behavior which relates to the issues. If you disagree with some
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any Knowledge (XXG) content critical of Putin’s administration, Soviet political repressions, and other things like that. They try to censor not only political articles about Russia, but also about Baltic Republics, Poland , Georgia, etc. Hence the alleged “problems” with Piotrus and others.
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from October 2006, which was borne of my frustration (which I actually admitted there). I have to admit that I am still finding it difficult to accept that wikipedia NPOV policy allows for pushing Nazi or Soviet propaganda. Nevertheless, Irpen's ethnicity is not something that I should be ever
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state that YB was Lithuanian, and therefore my statement that 'even M.K.'s primary source in its English summary mentions only Lithuanian ethnicity in YB' can be seen as misinterpretation (I have assumed that YB falls under 'Lithuanian' part of 'Lithuanian Security Police' but indeed it is not
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article; to understand situation complexity maybe committee members would like to read some talk pages of this article) is even more special as the voting procedures there conducted around seven times (!), marked by extensive sockpupetism; in one of these votes Halibutt initiated campaign of
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In this case, Piotrus has shown to me (and maybe others) that he tries hard to fight for certain editors, and against certain others. As Knowledge (XXG) is no tag team wrestling match, he should be warned not to interfere anymore in any similar cases involving other Poles, or editors that are
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and starts editing this article immediately to "prove" his POV that article describes a conspiracy theory. Users Lysy and Piotrus are coming to save at least Polish part of this article. Vlad gets 3RR violation. Ugly discussion takes place at the talk page (Vlad wrongly blame me and others of
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After that Piotrus blocked his opponent in this content dispute for a month with the bogus summary "revert warring, personal attacks", in the face of continuing trolling, revert warring and personal attacks by Space Cadet. Following the block, Piotr's opponent - who might have become a useful
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example - I always have and still oppose that very title, so apparently my stubbornness doesn't work every time :) More disturbingly, he claims that Piotrus will never "concede a point on talk page", he "discuss ad nauseum but he will never back down", "talking with Piotrus never results in a
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My reply to MK's update will be short, as I believe he presents no new evidence that I had not addressed above (again, if ArbCom disagrees and wishes me to reply to any part of evidence in more detail, please let me know). I would however like to discuss two of his new statements and show how
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and as I understand the case did not resulted any actions due to demonstrated self revert. But that is troubling to me is that in his comment he tried to show that he was conducted some sort of established contributor's “vandalism” removal , and on reviewing 3RR board admin talk page he quite
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The evidence provided by M.K does not show that I am "known" for my ill behaviour. It only documents that I have had lost my nerve in an individual case in the past. I believe such cases are isolated and not typical for my behaviour. Regardless, I am trying to improve my conduct and hope I'm
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I was reluctant to get involved in the evidence phase but since my name was mentioned by both Piotrus and M.K in the context of M.K harassing me, I would like to state that I don't really mind it, as there were only few occurrences. What bothers me, however, is M.K's relatively high level of
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The example proves that the request for arbitration against Piotrus was little more than an attempt at scaring off or tiring out an editor who's used to defending his sources. However, the issues are broader than that and should be addressed by arbitrators as such. The stream of requests for
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Going to the next – “Next, the abstract only mentions two nationalities as related to those organizations”, wrong; for instance SD troops there listed as “German”, despite it employed and different ethnicity people; in other words abstract does not deal with ethnicity rather it is used for
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induce Piotr to move his activities off-wiki, which will make Poland-related articles even more impenetrable to objective editing than they are now. The drama will continue, but without my participation, as I have not edited Poland-related articles since last year, and I don't intend to. --
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Therefore since Ghirla intends to argue for findings and remedies in this ArbCom with - at the time of my writing - diffs from 2006 and earlier, I would like to present newer diffs (from this year) and ask for the same thing I (and others) asked previously: that he is placed on a civility
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I will reply to Prokonsul Piotrus’ presentation. Sadly presentation failed to address specific concerns and shows signs of unwillingness for constructive solution and have a quite a rude pattern. However my response I will start from “Piotrus response to other side's claims” first point.
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after some time as well, of course if proper cite and reference check was completed such problems would be solved. Even now, both creator of this article and admin Piotrus, starting to invent new things how references should labeled and used, instead finding high quality and neutral ones
794:, such behavior could develop to uncontrolled situation, and trying to avoid such things I sought an advice from more experienced editor (who participated in these vote campaigns from beginning to the end). General discussion (concerning both Halibutt and Piotrus too) were address on
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Fueling revert wars - a good example of accusation not backed by anything but bad faith interpretation of my edits. He who has never reverted on Knowledge (XXG), please throw a stone first :) But seriously, the real problem here is a user who is using a year-old 3RR case filled by a
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Place argument and diffs which support your assertion; for example, your first assertion might be "So-and-so engages in edit warring", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits to specific articles which show So-and-so engaging in edit warring.
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by Piotrus. Who even tried to argue that WP:Living policy is not applied in other articles which deals with living persons life facts, while policy suggest contrary – “This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons
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seems also stable w/out any disputes; two weeks of no edits indicate to me that a consensus has been reached on neutrality wording and source reliablity. See also my edit summary on the last diff he quotes :) If this is fuelling revert wars, than I am indeed a revert warrior :)
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Incivility. Incivility has been shown by all sides in this conflit, occasionally even by myself (which I deeply regret and I believe I have apologized whenever I was asked for). This is unfortunate, but with one exception I don't believe behaviour of any user with regard to
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That's enough from me for now, and probably for the remainder of this case. Having few time to edit, I decided to make this not very refined statement anyway to give at least some "feedback" to Piotrus. I'm looking forward to him presenting a long list of my deeds soon.
3308:"The American Numismatic Society's curatorial database proved to be of little help because of its inconsistency and the fact that we couldn't find the parameters according to which it was created (that would have helped to clarify the reason behind that inconsistency)"
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online database of coins presented by me, and tried to portray the term used by ANS as "complete OR" which is "unused even on German websites". When I patiently tried to explain to him that German websites use the German name which is different, he still insisted
1440:; ironically Novickas latter comments about good/bad faith perfectly apply to that editor own actions (see medcal cabal name and mediator reply) 2) "In both of the above cases, PP has shown no initiative in resolving the issues; the articles remain as they were":
699:. As Piotrus and Halibut are friends I think that Piotrus could use more to influence his friend to stop such continues mocking from state language; such practice of mocking was criticized during Halibutt’s RfC, even more was suggested that similar “conducts” is
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merits ArbCom attention at this moment. The mentioned exception is based on my belief that one user has been extremnly uncivil, significantly contributing to worsening the relations between many editors (primarly Polish and Lithuanian). The editor in question is
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I do not envy the task ArbCom has taken, albeit I think it was inevitable sooner or later; some users - parties in this issue, myself included - have shown that they are unable to resolve their conflict without a third party enforcable ruling. So, here we are.
761:(somehow Piotrus thinks that it is an harassment conducted my me; just wondering that he would do if someone will call him anti-Brasilian hatred, without courage and honor). But this particular story did not ended; Halibutt removed this warning by edit summary
2255:. As I did not see any personal attack in my edit, I had asked him to explain this. In wake of any reasonable explanation, I assumed it was simply an attempt to intimidate me with the false accusation (additionally using wording such as "you have been warned"
2125:"no Russian editor can edit Poland-related articles in English Knowledge (XXG) without facing some sort of harrassment", "I'm not the only one who was driven from English Knowledge (XXG) by a gang of Polish editors and their allies from neighbouring countries"
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is a close collaborator with P.P., and P.P. was heavily involved in shaping and editing this article. If Knowledge (XXG) consisted of nothing but articles of this quality, it would have died a quick death a longtime ago. Then take a look at the talk page of
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Place argument and diffs which support the second assertion; for example, your second assertion might be "So-and-so makes personal attacks", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits where So-and-so made personal attacks.
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and other available public noteboards, seeking for his opponent to be blocked from editing. When a seemingly authoritative person says on ANI or IRC "See evidence of X being incivil ", that will make someone look at a link with "incivility" already in mind.
3236:". After that, I responded once again, but he chose not to answer. In a separate thread, he simply denouces a source inconvenient to him by stating "ANS database is a mess, and it as has been shown above, we have many, many more sources for other variants"
1666:, already once blocked for incivility. It is my belief that - intentionally or not - that user has been baiting both sides, frustrating many editors and talk page discussions with worst-style Usenet flaming. Lenghty list of his misconduct is presented on
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at this time, even more it appears in later period only. Later duties there taken by SS department. This why author speaks in general about SD rather then only one specific unit or department. While in the main body discussed developments in details.
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Out of respect for ArbCom invaluable time, I support my assertion only by edits and diffs provided already by the involved parties in their initial statements even though the stream of supporting evidence is growing. Most recently, the majority of them
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So that do we have – Piotrus diffs which taken from context (usually from very old talk pages) and usually accompanied with inaccurate information, everything mixed and presented as "evidence" of harassment. But if we analyze such “contributions” as
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Moving to new section - “For ArbCom to investigate and comment on.”. - First point. I will not comment on Piotrus contributions relating other contributors “classification” as I see it as very rude as well as highly inappropriate to ArbCom case.
429:) to the presented data we can assume that Polish representatives do not speak much about these specific crimes carried out by Polish criminals. And if I remembering NOV policy right all conflicting scholarly points should be presented including
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Going to point 3, completely not relevant to presented evidence by me, as there is no answer why we mocked living person in question or why he prevented of smooth cite check or why he continued mock from contributors working in this field.
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Perhaps I am too paranoid here. But this is serious. Today this group is coming after Piotrus, tomorrow they will came after me and others, and finally they may destroy the entire wikipedia community, unless some serious measures are taken.
1286:"Recruiting support for proper articles versions" - bad faith speculations and allegations. I helped LUCPOL with several issues, including translating his statements in a dispute resolution, I also contribute to Silesia articles (he founded
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edit was coordinated with Piotrus. This was not true and I took it as an undeserved accusation of bad faith. Otherwise I did not see any purpose of M.K's innuendo. I don't think I ever did anything to earn the bad faith reputation in M.K's
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cite the evidence and voice your objections within your own section of the page. It is especially important to not remove evidence presented by others. If something is put in the wrong place, please leave it for the arbitrators to move.
1064:. Curiously, as now contributor talks about falsely accusations during this event, but before me, on the same day and in regards the same article, he personally issued a warning to different contributor, with highly provocative remark
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In both cases, whatever opinion he may have held before, once presented with examples of the names used by English-language publications, Piotrus does change his mind and agrees to follow the form (or a form) used in those sources
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with regard to my person (and likely that of several other editors, like Halibutt or Lysy): nitpicking good-faith edits, repeated personal attacks (false and bad-faithed claims of our wrongdoing - this ArbCom and his statements in
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M.K. belongs to that second group and has demonstrated such extreme POV on many cases. He has disrupted Poland-related articles on several cases (see Vilnija/KG issue above, for another example consider his continued POV edits to
525:. Please note I took here only the small part of systematical reverts conducted during his own ArbCom case time frame, in which one of listed problems is his revert campaigns. And I do not want to go in other a bit older cases
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were casual at best. Both users provided reference for their conflicting points of view. There was no bad faith on either side, only bouts of frustration resulting from two different perspectives on one historical event.
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Staying with the first point, only going to part “Note that M.K. has also "removed referenced information" himself”. After reading this part of Piotrus response it became clear to me that administrator Piotrus do not know
372:(“Definite proof we have Vilnija fans among us”) etc. Yet another example of tendentious Piotrus’s edits – article in question heavily rely on Polish newspapers, while non Polish newspapers cant be used in other articles
449:; German security police, Lietuvių saugumo policija (Lithuanian security police) (these 3 organizations are presented in source English summary); all these mentioned structures are not the same as Ypatingasisi būrys (aka
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Following Piotrus remarks “even M.K.'s primary source in its English summary mentions only Lithuanian ethnicity in YB” ArbCom members could witness particular contributors’ distortion of sources and original research. As
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In order to keep it short, let me just pick the two most obvious mistakes: 1) Józef Łukaszewicz: beside the fact how could I have used a geographical naming convention I didn't cite to rename a biographical article, see
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And such continues remarks as “that even M.K.'s primary source does not stress Polish or Russian participation in YB” becoming really unproductive and unencyclopedic, as per my explanations above. And let me stress that
1815:(Knowledge (XXG) is) a place where someone can twist and turn information (sourced from totalitarian newspaper articles, and skewed statistics), to satisfy some fantastic fantasy, and then award barnstars to each other
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Extreme unmoderated POV. Briefly. We all are POVed. I have admited on many occasions I have a Polish POV. Nonetheless I believe my almost 20 Featured Articles, dozens of Good Articles, and scores of DYKs and such (see
2605:. For instance, the reunification of Western and Eastern Ukraine and Belarus by the Soviet Union is routinely labelled "invasion" and "aggression". It's fine, probably they were. But the partition of Chechoslovakia (
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Although P. has since removed polonica.net references from a number of articles, he has suggested that his reference's appearance on that site doesn't necessarily disparage the reliability of the Patryk Dole article
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Going to point 4, it would be great if Piotrus could stated straight, if he (in presented) cases asked contributors to revert “proper” article versions or not. The newest development also strengthen listed concerns
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proved to be of little help because of its inconsistency and the fact that we couldn't find the parameters according to which it was created (that would have helped to clarify the reason behind that inconsistency).
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page is also rather stable this year. The only worrying behaviour on those article's were M.K.'s repeated attempts to remove reliable sources critical of this organization and that person (see example from point
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that he should stop revert-warring and other silly activities and sent him an e-mail with my premonitions about the impending block. I felt that he would be blocked by some IRC people if he does not change his
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publications are not authoritative sources. And yes the findings presented in these publications are significant, and I do not see how presenting significant scholarly findings are undue weight in this case.
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And lets go to concluding remarks. As Piotrus made remarks about specific contributors departure, but he once again forgot to mentioned that the same contributor accused another contributor of criminal act
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Piotrus himself had brought up the "leader of the Polish cabal" issue in a RfC last year. He continues to support other Poles in disputes, e.g. by trying to defend the Polish editor I had reported for 3RR
1556:) made it nearly impossible to discuss content with him, and whatever creditentials he claims his knowledge of Polish language and accuracy of translations has been criticized by other Polish editors (ex.
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Several ArbCom cases belong to this category. Obviously, if a group “A” has constant conflicts with groups “B”, “C”, “E” and so on, something should be done about this group “A”, but not about others.
1061:, only because I provided sourced definition used in multiply academic English sources. As such personally targeted behavior involving “research” is not acceptable, I urged to stop these type of remarks
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First of all, I want to thank ArbCom members who accepted and willing to solve this case regarding contributor Piotrus behavior. I will present expanded evidence regarding this contributor’s behavior.
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As long as the case is not closed, I decided to bring to light one instance of Piotr's abuse of his admin tools in order to drive away his knowledgable opponents from Knowledge (XXG). I take issue with
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1079:, I should be extra careful, but I would not agree that nationalists or ordinary contributors have right to accuse of falsification of history or stage “research” of my POV or accuse of harassment.
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filed - etc, etc. It appears that the section describing controversies surrounding the offensive has by and large been restored, and the article has remained relatively stable since about August 6th.
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with wholesale reverts with mostly irrelevant, inflammatory edit summary, calling the largest Polish opposition daily "an obscure Polish outlet". This is hardly courteous or cooperative behaviour. --
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from late last year meant the differences between me and Ghirla had been (mostly) settled. Alas, his activity in this ArbCom and unearthing of issues I thought were settled back then proves me wrong.
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arbitration will continue until ArbCom finds a way of easing the situation before a new generation of editors arises. Please rename this case and use it for future reference to our joint benefit. --
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both in English and in German. Polish language uses "grosz" for a subdivison of the current Polish currency. After the Original Research term "grosh" had been introduced to English Knowledge (XXG)
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source’s English summary do not talk about YB (Ypatingasis būrys) (you would not find any of these names in the summary) at all. That P.P. did – confused completely different structures such as
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1068:(you can compare my laconic and polite to this one.) However my approach to solve these type problems failed as after few weeks I was once again accused, by the same contributor, but this time
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I have serious thoughts regarding some articles that some editors there brought to scene only to revert “proper” version of articles preferred by Piotrus. My findings of this issue covered here
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Because of frequency of disruption, this is a large amount of evidence, I am therefore putting it in its own section for ease of reference. For chronological order, please start at the bottom.
1495:"this open examination of his behaviour will induce Piotr to move his activities off-wiki, which will make Poland-related articles even more impenetrable to objective editing than they are now"
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Thirdly, the entire Vlad section is in big parts unrelated to this ArbCom (and my person in particular), but in relevant parts anybody is welcomed to check Vlad's disruption and incivility at
1290:. Apparently in return he occasionally looks at some of the current disputes I am involved in and supports my edits. Excuse me if some editors want to help me instead of drag me through DR :)
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A short list of grievances addressing issues of concision, personal experience, the expressed desire on the part of arbitrators to view only recent incidents, and personal time constraints.
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Both articles got their current names as the result of formal move requests, taking into consideration the names by which the coins are referred to in modern English-language publications:
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has made it clear that my contributions are unwelcome in his sphere of interest. So I find it prudent to concede that swath of articles to him, as I have many other pages to look after. --
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Staying in the same point No. 2 just going to different location specifically part “such strong bad faith claims based on such”, personally I do fail to understand that presented sources (
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references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons
2749:, let alone blocked him. Look at the history of the IP's interaction with Piotrus, who started rollbacking his opponent's good-faith edits, as if he was dealing with an ordinary vandal:
2463:, the "Christian Confederacy of Intermarium", but no academic or mainstream publications contain his work. Dole is mentioned in a discussion thread at University of New York - Buffalo
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agree it was a Lithuanian unit; very few (2) mention in passing that among its ~100 members there were several of other ethnicity/pre-war citenzship (even M.K.'s primary source in its
693:, P.P. once again forgot to draw a full light to this development, so lets take a look. One contributor started to mocking from Lithuanian language again (he did this continues times)
2810:. This reminds me about human beings treated as “nuts and bolts” in the Soviet Union. Ghirlandajo tells that I am “an eternal opponent” (almost an “eternal enemy”) of someone. Dear
453:). I brought to ArbCom members this misused of sources fact as it is not the isolated incident, bad attribution and misused information being used by Piotrus to justify page titles
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from Knowledge (XXG) articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.” Inserting some none English information from tourism portal, badly labeling it as Lithuanian embassy site
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I think that most of the editors I work with, whether disputing my edits or not, are aware that I consider nationalism to be a pejorative term. In November 2006, I humorously added
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Also, there's a definite tendency to discard anything not known to Piotrus (and those other editors), or to bracket it with the wording corrupting its meaning. See reference 1 (
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3108:"article". The opening statement has no less than seven citations. The author who opened the article with the edit summary " nationalists are going to love me for this one"
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about incivility and personal attacks in January 2006. His continued incivility and personal attacks towards Polish editors in particular has been subject to several blocks (
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24 hour block'. Refers to an editor 'His inability to work with people without this constant need to censor and block people' and 'Would it be uncivil to ask him to grow up?'
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It would give me great pleasure to not play games with you, and to ignore you completely. (...) You're incapable of answering simple questions, and are discourteous as well.
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1147:"Removal of referenced information": of course I occasionally remove information, including referenced. I never do it lightly - but it is perfectly acceptable behaviour per
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we will see true and current misbehavior of administrator Piotrus. List can be filled and filled with the bad conducts, his threats and warnings there dismissed by others
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his false claims and defend his OR term with the 217 Google hits mainly created by the very Knowledge (XXG) article he created a year earlier. The counts are now reduced
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350:” Even more policy allows to removed false claims from talk pages (!). Such basic information should now all admins. And more Piotrus argued that everything is verified
91:. /Workshop provides for comment by parties and others as well as arbitrators. After arriving at proposed principles, findings of fact or remedies, arbitrators vote at
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1651:, by GA reviewers (twice...) - which of course only means he is using that article as an example of a place where Polish editors wrong him in revert wars and so on...
3322:. Are Wikipedians entitled to reject printed sources if they can't trace back to the tree that was used to make the paper? Also, it would be interesting to know who
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sources consist of a single Britannica entry misattributing a 19th century Polish name for the 14th century coin in question. In addition, he moved another article "
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This claim was long time ago (before ArbCom) challenged with undisputed facts, after it he the very same messaged redrawn in 2007 March 6, and acknowledged :
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rv to apprapriate edits. And Krakow is certainly not more appropiate than English Cracow, especially in historic context. How about Krakau during Austrian rule?
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M.K provided and the way he attempts to portray my edits illustrate the point that I made above about his focusing too much on warring against other editors.
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2526:, averaging at least 6 edits per day. While this certainly is (much) less than he was used to, I wouldn't qualify 6 edits per day as losing an active editor.
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My update is long, but is absolutely necessary to demonstrate Piotrus incorrect information usage and spread; it is also draws more light to his misconducts.
555:(contributor on whose talk page I made my remarks demonstrated ill behavior; if it be any need I will present a spectrum of evidence on this issue including
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that "Only one German site used" the English name, and that "it is you who is trying to force an OR Germanized name in English Knowledge (XXG)". He repeated
3013:"Timothy Snyder, The Reconstruction of Nations: Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, 1569-1999, Yale University Press, ISBN 0-300-10586-XGoogle Books, p.144"
308:, one of his investigation fields is crimes carried out by Polish insurgents, so you may understand that Polish public do not like him much (say at least).
1127:(agaist me and several other Polish users), with a note "I intend to continue presenting evidence in upcoming days"); I have asked him to finish it twice (
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seems to be the latest example. I have never edited a page with him and I find many of his editing practices regrettable, yet after spotting his edits on
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to argue that his opponent is a revert warrior. Such strong bad faith claims based on such flimsy evidence and trotted out on many discussion/talk pages (
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on the basis of sources/authors compatibility with some vaguely defined ideals, not on the basis of the sources/authors veritability or academic review.
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as a source, as do several other articles. This site's home page contains some very disturbing language and images. Novickas 14:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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random example, it as well would not hold under deeper scrutiny. The question surrounding very sensitive issue – moving articles names – but this case (
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I never received a response but, when I checked Vlad's block log a day later, I was not surprised to discover that he was indeed banned by David Gerard
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against you - to no avail. It's a very serious charge. This would be a good time to present the link or other evidence before you really leave. Thanks!
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Going to the Piotrus part “he is harassing other editors, ex.” complete misuse of information I will take several random examples to demonstrate this.
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Anyone, whether directly involved or not, may add evidence to this page. Please make a header for your evidence and sign your comments with your name.
3437:, the latter being an article he had just introduced, without references to the present day. Rex also has pointed out that I had answered the summary
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I will not respond to personal opinion of my editing image labeled as “M.K.’s editing habits”. Going to section 2 labeled as “M.K assumes bad faith.”
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requires that would be fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by verifiable source. Probably nobody will dispute that
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What category does this fall into? PP mis-stated WP policy when he removed a sourced citation with the edit comment that the source is "quite POVed"
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are you a liar (something that you recently called me) hallucinating between interludes of POV pushing and peppering Knowledge (XXG) with propaganda?
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Last two examples are very much saying; as contributor to whom these messages there addressed quite clearly suggested to Piotrus that such practice
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tries to make new friends according to "the foes of my foes" reasoning, but it is surprising that Piotrus seems to have swallowed the bait eagerly
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and knows Polish. This qualifies him for spotting signal inaccuracies and inadequacies in Piotr's rendering of Polish-language sources. Just check
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Since I like you, I won't ask you if you are too lazy to look in a dictionary, or suggest that you might not have decent libaries where you live.
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sources’ English summary speak about YB. As it still not clear I will explain more: Piotrus during Evidence presentation tried to convinced :
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hardly can be called “high quality references”. But the problems did not end, soon after another related article was created with quite clear
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policy at all. Such “evidences” of my removal of referenced information stands no ground, because the information provided in source (such as
3232:, he repeated the "single google hit" argument once again, and threatend me with "for such personal attacks you may find yourself reported at
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you should act, especially then accusations complete baseless and bad faith driven. Ironically Piotrus himself suggested to start DR process…
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I think this ArbCom case has nothing to do with Piotrus, but it is a part of a bigger campaign by a group of Russian users who are trying to
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Currently skipping point 2 and going to point 3 about allegedly harassment. I will start from specific diffs, presented by P.P. First, this
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1085:. Maybe Lysy have in mind another place there these words were used and there I (?) had in mid different contributors’ warning to him.
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concludes that accusation of lies is serious violation of specific policy; and yes I think that my response was proper to this accusation
484:. And related policies clearly suggests that misused and misquoted information should be removed immediately and without any discussion.
3247:", and quoted Google searches that counted names that are compelety unrelated to the coins. Anyway, he succeeded and has "his" article at
3015:), compare the context of the quote, the scope of the book, and the use it's put to in the article. See Piotrus' only contribution to the
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Hmm, no response by Piotrus, but a quick one by someone else? I've go to confess that I somehow felt inspired to look up the article on "
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pending a mediation, which was also put on hold due to Ghirlandajo's withdrawal from active editing for several months, withdrawal which
1151:("Editors adding new material should cite a reliable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor") and related policies (ex.
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continuously makes pattern of intimidation over his opponents - threatening of block even more in another development he insisting that
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remark was urging to review it again. But as time showed I did not help, as Halibutt reappear to talk page with yet another rude comment
3251:. Since January 2007, it is tagged for not citing any references or sources for that name, while sources for the proper name are given.
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On the other hand, the passing remark in the thematically somewhat-loosely-connected book may be used ad infinitum to prove everything.
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in February 2007 "without prejudice to a request by any party to reopen it in the future if necessary" due to Ghirla's wikiholidays and
1326:. But if want to use that reference in relation to that article, it's suddenly a case of "bad attribution and misused information"? :)
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as the major claims of this article there pointing to Polish sources. But in vain all my work there reverted citation request as well
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2116:. The mediation - in which we were making what appeared to be good progreess - has however also stalled too due to his wikiholidays.
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who supported the move from apparently controversial Wilno to more neutral Vilna after new refs and arguments were properly presented
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mistaken most of “all” sources about which Piotrus talks, are conducted by polish representatives; and remembering Piotrus response (
2396:- both of these articles created considerable conflict. A brief look at the talk pages shows that these are not commonly used names.
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here Dr. Dan accused parents of that editor of being member of communist party (in Poland's context it may be very offensive to some
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1095:; actually in this diff there is said that you have been warned I had in mid this warning by different contributor in similar area
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2460:. However, Patryk Dole does not seem to be what most of us would consider a reliable source. He apparently participates in a blog
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look quite condemning... until one notice that they are spaced in 3 weeks from 18 April to 9 May; in essense a normal part of the
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mentions only Lithuanian ethnicity in YB). Non-Lithuanian participation in YB is notable enough to mention in the YB article, but
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my statement there for many diffs to his incivility and personal attacks from 2006 (and a very long list at his RfC linked there)
1543:- I can cite many more, but I think that's enough to show how Ghirla's claims are grossly inaccurate and damaging to my person.
1259:). The only DR procedures initatied by MK are to complain about my or others behaviour when we don't agree with his POV (and see
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Note that even wording of this ArbCom case follows typical Soviet phraseology. Irpen wrongly blames Piotrus of using people as
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1058:, and ending with remarks directed to towards me – starting to label to me various POV “research”, how I dismiss other POV etc
967:, there in deep are discussed Pole’s as Jew killer’s killing motives etc. So we have different sources covering these issues.
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seems to have been made in pleasant anticipation to trading in his original "Kraków grosh" to get the desired two Polish names
2767:... After IP noticed that he "removed deliberate untruth", Piotrus issued a stern warning to him. In reply, the IP referred to
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Concluding remarks, further and continues evinces of mocking, intimidation, baiting, accusation of Holocaust revisionism etc.
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Response to point 1 in Piotrus response. Content analysis, further evidence of misleading information usage, accusations etc.
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Response to point 1 in Piotrus response, last paragraph. Further evidence of misleading information usage during ArbCom case
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one of Dr. Dan's peculiar habits is copyedit other user's post in talk; this sometimes led to (accidental?) confusion, ex.
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where I evidently can cooperate with Russian/German/etc. editors (please see also statement by Featured Articles Director,
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page has been stable since January 28 with a compromise that the community (me included) find apparently quite acceptable.
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When I stated that I am "opposed to edit warriors", he answered that "It must be hard being opposed to oneself, Matthead"
2862:, and others. I created a better article with a different name, but it was nominated for deletion in just a few hours by
2699:, who was guilty of the same offenses if not more, was left unpunished, despite some lengthy discussion of his actions on
1493:, opened to discuss just such baseless slanderous accusations that I am acting in bad faith and damaging Knowledge (XXG) (
765:. Seeing such developments and that particular contributor just conducting provocations I removed highly offensive remark
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2833:, an example that involves me, Piotrus, Irpen, Vlad, and others. First, I have created a small stub, but it was deleted
2900:, since one of members of this group of Russian-speaking users started editing this article since I have posted it here.
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to argue in articles where YB crimes are discussed that those crimes were commited by 'Lithuanians, Russians and Poles'.
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1596:) show that I can overcome my POV and produce high-quality FA NPOV work including that on controversial subjects like
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The Google searches are mis-used -- put forward as almost an academic source of information or an ultimate argument.
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clear flaming: off-topic discussion post speculating about one editors sympathies for anti-semitic and pro-nazi views
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Keeping this growing section short, I will address only one piece of evidence which I believe is new and relevant:
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skewed interpretation of these events in the article, and thereby cheapening the WP project."
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And I have asked you, Halibutt, to give us the evidence that Ghirlandajo made a
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724:and should be stated that Piotrus like to make
713:then administrator comes to your talk page and
676:, which was reverted by Lysy after few minutes
356:. Misuse of sources and quotations are present
314:, WP:LIVING clearly states “Be very firm about
3329:Regarding the diffs Ev is giving to show that
1377:in the relevant article, it's English name is
904:“his 10 diffs for my "fuelling of revert wars"
715:threatens and makes intimidation to block you
650:, so I asked mediator about specific question
2436:, is not only published but frequently cited.
2133:his return to the previous levels of activity
1123:I am posting this only one other user (M.K.)
1066:Is anyone paying you for disrupting wikipedia
107:Rename this case to Eastern European disputes
8:
3208:in 2006. In 2007, he claimed that "remember
2769:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment/Piotrus
1891:this and several previous posts at this page
1394:English summary indeed does mentions YB but
1020:Response to Lysy evidence. Further evidences
996:Rude Piotrus’ ArbCom Evidence presentation
939:UPDATE of 2007-05-30, responding to Piotrus
2419:User_talk:Lokyz#Re:_Please_stop_stalking_me
1918:vandalism accusations in edit summary again
1379:Special SD and German Security Police Squad
1142:Piotrus response to MK's original statement
3409:by trying to move many articles e.g. like
3245:from German 'groschen' to English 'grosch'
1947:his reply to yet another warning about NPA
1587:For ArbCom to investigate and comment on.
640:, as it was closed few moth ago before me
2736:generally polite and knowledgeable person
2673:asked David to explain his strange remark
2006:Nota about being incivil on his talk page
1830:accusation of 'nationalistic POV pushing'
1373:. As can be seen from the translation of
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234:small example of this behavior pattern.
3364:
2366:A rule in geographic naming conventions
2288:Response to the claim of personal attack
1798:inflaming an until-then civil discussion
1295:Piotrus response to MK's evidence update
1268:it was ME who reported KG page to WP:BLP
1045:“M.K falsely accuses of personal attack”
908:rude accusation of violation of policies
867:Piotrus response to MK's evidence update
768:with summary in which I pointed example
645:never was listed as the disputed parties
600:Response to point 4 in Piotrus response.
591:Response to point 3 in Piotrus response.
18:Knowledge (XXG):Requests for arbitration
2638:Vlad claims to have graduated from the
2263:Response to M.K's evidence against Lysy
1364:new evidence presented by M.K on 29 May
1137:Piotrus response to other side's claims
431:United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
413:Piotrus response to other side's claims
3628:Evidence presented by {your user name}
3143:Piotrus fights with or for other Poles
2632:Talk:Institute of National Remembrance
2476:. Novickas 02:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
2243:M.K falsely accuses of personal attack
2192:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
2159:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
2149:accusing others of "unmotivated slurs"
2074:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
1887:, later questiones the users sanity...
1643:). His POV has been proven wrong by a
1567:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
1548:Talk:Institute of National Remembrance
1460:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
1407:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
1346:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
1302:new evidence presented by MK on 23 May
874:“First, as for misusing reference in…”
872:Responding part which holds statement
557:this, accusation of faking the history
3120:In a nutshell, P.P., contacted user:
2825:One of clear examples of the ongoing
2262:
2028:Refusal to participate in a mediation
1885:It was you who called me a liar first
1261:how helpful he is in such discussions
696:; was condemned by other contributor
7:
2676:bad faith about that?" David Gerard
2061:Piotrus evidence against Ghirlandajo
1735:statement by Halibutt in this ArbCom
1311:First, as for misusing reference in
1216:'no action' report filled by himself
482:“legal” defense of this organization
3445:, but then Rex himself had told me
3365:Matthead's response to Rex Germanus
3212:: grosh is better then grosch(en)"
2972:Working with referenced information
2706:Today I accidentally stumbled upon
2414:Knowledge (XXG):Tendentious_editing
1288:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Silesia
1266:Violating WP:LIVING. For starters,
1251:). I also start DR mediations like
683:, so I see nothing wrong by asking
585:proceed with mediation with Piotrus
3558:Evidence presented by Rex Germanus
3540:The American Numismatic Society's
3397:, but he keeps removing the diffs
3284:I also looked up the talk page of
2145:suggesting anti-Polish hook at DYK
2066:This section has been added after
1430:new evidence presented by Novickas
1324:used in this article by MK himself
1202:Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs
1141:
629:sources Armija Krajova Lietuvoje
527:as it is the same pattern as noted
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3498:and reach their own conclusions.
2579:Evidence presented by Ghirlandajo
1901:about the same accusation before)
1867:flaming and editing others' posts
1641:attempt to delist it from GA list
843:accusing of Holocaust revisionism
783:support by flaming the messages:
480:, but yet again I was accused of
386:then one particular contributor
304:Habilitated Doctor of Humanities
195:Removal or referenced information
3301:I've already stated my confusion
2980:this year, I feel unhappy about
2734:. The IP appears to belong to a
2491:from August 2 to August 5, 2007.
1758:Piotrus evidence against Dr. Dan
1362:The following comment addresses
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3487:, and in which I was involved.
2708:David's revelation of his credo
2523:has been quite active recently
2049:and quit making veiled threats.
1743:formerly 156 most active editor
1583:Piotrus claims about other side
1476:Piotrus response to Ghirlandajo
1294:
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613:Piotrus claims about other side
3443:"go to Polish Knowledge (XXG)"
3167:The 3RR case was partly about
3134:Evidence presented by Matthead
2693:on the grounds of "incivility"
2473:. The matter was discussed at
2388:in the 20th century as Wilno:
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1497:, etc.). That ArbCom case was
822:false accusations of vandalism
681:huge parts of article vanished
473:, as well as neutral mediator
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2315:Ghirlandajo fuels revert wars
2175:Piotrus request to the ArbCom
1981:invoking the infamous WP:DICK
1149:Knowledge (XXG):Verifiability
1111:Evidence presented by Piotrus
1070:“only” for faking the history
1002:Piotrus request to the ArbCom
653:and received and answer that
3369:It's hardly surprising that
3159:involved in Polish matters.
3100:. The editor in question is
3077:Evidence presented by Dr.Dan
2818:of Piotrus, and I am not an
2186:how Wiki is supposed to work
1957:uncivil comment other editor
1454:has been moved few weeks ago
1423:Piotrus response to Novickas
902:Going to second paragraph -
837:mocking from state tragedies
744:my anti-Brasilian hatred etc
3647:{Write your assertion here}
3638:{Write your assertion here}
3383:after Rex had called me an
3312:American Numismatic Society
3310:, Ev basically rejects the
3217:American Numismatic Society
3094:occasionally even by myself
2678:chose to ignore her request
2487:See the article history of
2441:Use of questionable sources
1677:, I believe M.K. violates
1438:the case closed by mediator
1335:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle
942:, in short this classifies
914:? Or knowing same pattern
581:trolling action of an admin
523:and yet another 3RR warning
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3017:Mitrofan Dovnar-Zapol'skiy
2984:and several other editors
2599:The latest bout of baiting
2515:Piotrus claims above that
1679:Knowledge (XXG):Harassment
1550:(briefly, his incivility (
1523:evidence I presented above
1383:Lithuanian Security Police
1125:has presented his evidence
754:. Ant let me remind that
3623:19:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
3581:19:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
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3463:19:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
3360:19:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
3268:04:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
3044:, byt generally ignored.
2780:17:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
2336:08:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
1855:accusing others of idiocy
1772:but that doesn't stop him
1602:German invasion of Poland
1511:criticized here by Durova
1043:Response to Lysy’s claim
922:also part of this cycle?
728:denounced such claims by
3599:(go to Polish wikipedia)
3483:, mentioned by Matthead
3182:Talk:Free City of Kraków
3129:22:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
3072:22:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
2956:19:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
2923:16:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
2747:offensive edit summaries
2720:00:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
2609:) by Poland and Hitler (
2589:22:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
2571:00:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
2558:21:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
2539:17:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
2297:was a "personal attack".
2203:01:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
2170:19:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
2097:Ghirlandajo has already
2085:19:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
1739:loss as an active editor
1668:a separate section below
1578:01:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
1471:18:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
1418:19:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
1357:18:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
1030:“M.K assumes bad faith.”
1028:Reponse to Lysy’s claim
1013:other Evidence statement
860:11:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
3346:"English locality name"
3082:Dr. Dan is the Problem?
3048:My experience with M.K.
2976:After my experience in
2603:exposed a long time ago
2447:Treaty of Warsaw (1920)
2417:gift in such a manner"
1825:implying revisionism PA
1737:, note that Halibutt's
1452:- and oh, that article
1106:13:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
178:03:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
3468:Evidence presented by
3395:Rex' nationalism scale
2991:See the whole current
2961:Evidence presented by
2785:Evidence presented by
2503:Evidence presented by
2390:Battle of Wilno (1939)
2342:Evidence presented by
2233:that my revert of his
2208:Evidence presented by
1227:) and edit summaries (
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577:of stalking should end
183:Evidence presented by
99:Evidence presented by
3614:(removing Polish link
3007:See reference #38 in
2963:User:Yury Tarasievich
2662:the following comment
2489:Kiev Offensive (1920)
2225:M.K assumes bad faith
2099:been warned by ArbCom
2033:January and earlier:
1274:offered help and the
934:don't revert, discuss
812:, let me remind that
583:and was suggested to
3496:Talk:Prague groschen
3439:(...póki my żyjemy!)
3279:Münchhausen by proxy
2935:and perhaps Russian
2918:отвечать за базар).
2445:Today's DYK article
2216:M.K's editing habits
2182:they are not neutral
2108:), that was however
1153:WP:NPOV#Undue_weight
840:baiting contributors
826:another “harassment”
737:Lets start from this
3542:curatorial database
3518:formal move request
3507:formal move request
3423:Greater Netherlands
3333:, I've pointed out
3306:With the statement
3299:On Ev's talk page,
2945:information warfare
2929:information warfare
2836:, after voting by
2827:information warfare
2820:enemy of the people
2354:Tendentious editing
2293:I believe the diff
1489:First, please note
1339:the current version
1317:the ref in question
1158:For example taking
730:neutral contributor
615:. Further evidences
415:. Further evidences
238:Fueling revert wars
47:in your own section
3586:Matthead is biased
3429:: to link up with
3405:"german name bias"
3381:complain at WP:ANI
3379:Recently I had to
3062:Lithuanian Metrica
2908:recently asked me
2685:I explained to him
2657:the very same day.
2499:August 2007 (UTC)
2449:uses polonica.net
2235:Vilnius University
2114:informal mediation
2092:informal mediation
1649:WPMIHIST reviewers
1446:who proposed an RM
1396:under English name
1077:Polish nationalist
989:this institution’s
916:preposterous claim
478:are not sufficient
427:preposterous claim
348:in other articles.
93:/Proposed decision
3505:The Polish coin:
3492:Talk:Kraków grosz
3371:User:Rex Germanus
3042:talk:Polonization
3032:talk:Polonization
2993:talk:Polonization
2880:User:Vlad_fedorov
2874:User:Vlad_fedorov
2831:Internet brigades
2666:User:David Gerard
2640:Warsaw University
2628:User:Vlad fedorov
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1276:Kazimieras Garšva
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