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cooperative effort, and does not involve complex procedure; it is, for the most part, what the editors agree to in consultation with the mediator. Either editor may withdraw at any point, and may continue to edit the article while the mediation is ongoing; of course, continuing the actions that led to the mediation may make mediation less successful, but is not a violation of any policy.

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to enter into a mediation; rather, it is the precursor to a long and nasty arbitration that leaves all involved far less satisfied than they would have been if they had simply made an effort to get along. The mediation is closed for lack of good faith on the part of the parties, and referred to arbitraion to consider the matters of harassment, edit warring, and vandalism.

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by. From the Talk posts it seems that Hyphen5 mistakes reading and understanding his argument, and disagreeing with it, for not having read his argument. If mediators decide to take up the case I will of course co-operate, but in my view this has already wasted quite enough time. Consensus for such a move is clearly lacking, Hyphen5's dissent not withstanding.

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If approved, this would set a bad precedent for any faith-based article directly, and any advocacy-based article (such as abortion) indirectly. Imagine if you will, if the proposal were written thusly: "Should pro-abortion editors be banned from editing abortion-related articles or should there be a

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All this brings me to an interesting conclusion: The behavior of the parties does not represent that of parties interested in working together to come to a collaborative solution. Edit warring, characterizing other's edits as vandalism, and making hostile postures towards other parties is not the way

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It is not the responsibility of any party to a mediation to quote mediation policy to the others; there is no place for wikilawyering in mediation. If there are issues, it should be brought to the attention of the mediator, who will take the necessary action. If a mediator has not yet be assigned, it

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who will agree with him. The documented fact that at least two churches refer to themselves as the Catholic Church, and that the entire Anglican Communion also refers to "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church", and the fact that Roman Catholic Church is completely unambiguous, seem to pass Hyphen5

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Agree, I guess, though I think this is a waste of time. For at least three years there have been periodic pushes by Roman Catholics to remove the qualifier "Roman" from the articles about the Roman Catholic Church. These proposals have never achieved consensus; now is no different. If a decision

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Can it be rightfully said that the Catholic Church dismisses the claim that Vicarius Filii Dei is a title of the pope when no official document has been provided that says so? If the chief argument by apologists is that Vicarius Filii Dei has not been found in unforged, official documents issued by

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Is it permissible on Knowledge (XXG) to list as one of the four "sources" of evidence that a Protestant woman in 1832 visited Rome and saw a tiara with the disputed title when no such source has been provided that says such? To the contrary, the one source we do have from 1832 says that a gentleman

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Should the Donation of Constantine only be described as a "forged" document when it was considered genuine for centuries, was used by popes, and was part of collections of Canon Law? Or, should the reader be informed of how official the Donation was once considered to be, since the opposing view is

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22:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC) Update: I've actually had a little time recently, so I've been touching the text of the article here and there, very carefully NPOV. It was crying out for help. :) I hope someone will let me know if I'm out of line doing so, as this thing is in a mediation process. (I am

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Agree, I suppose; in that I have no objection to being involved. I'm not sure that I think it's likely to achieve very much; as has been pointed out on the article's talk page, this seems to have been a perfectly well-conducted vote. I'm happy to take part if anyone thinks it will help, however.

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Should the entire question be reduced to whether the title appeared on tiaras or miters, when even if it never appeared there, the fact of its use by Catholics and Catholic documents is considered evidence that that title is the name referred to in Rev. 13:18? In other words, the opposing view has

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and I made edits to the article involved in the dispute after my RfM was accepted. I did this under the impression that article editing was acceptable and that editing the request itself was not. I did not intend to violate RfM policy and would like to know if I unintentionally did so (as I fear

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It strikes me that there is little hope of success in such a large mediation, and am inclined to simply direct the parties to a forum like RfC where a large number of parties is not a hinderance. To try to mediate between 22 (or even 10) parties is simply more than what mediation is designed to

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insisted that such rule exists and refused to provide a link to such a rule when I asked him. I find this kind of behavior deceptive and harassing and I'm having difficulty resolving the content dispute as a result of it. I would still like to make an attempt to have the dispute mediated, but

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Editors may continue to edit articles involved in mediation while the mediation is ongoing; if it were otherwise, the article would be protected. It would not be out of the question for a condition of the mediation to be that both editors stop editing it, but it is not required. Mediation is a

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I actually think that 22 involved editors of various religions to decide whather or not Mormon editors should be allowed/banned from Mormon-related pages would be a benefit, not a hassle - especially with almost all agreeing that it needed mediation. I am dissapointed in the decision, but can

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Can another of the four "sources" be said to refer to an 1845 mass when that very source says nothing about a mass? Can we assume that "service" means "mass" when we know from authentic newspaper accounts that there was an entirely different sort of Easter service at which the pope wore a

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Should both points of view be fairly stated in this article? (The following questions elaborate on this one.) Is it appropriate to attempt to refute the opposing view's evidence in the section(s) permitted to contain that evidence, when the rest of the article is already devoted to

984:, by the way), I stated, "The instant data is the subject of the RfM and may not be altered during the process." Why not? Because it is vandalism and I will revert it. The answer to the unanswered question should be obvious: "You requested a mediator, now respect 2723:

User Ramallite was involved but not directly since he was actually a fair 3rd party that asked questions about my edits and received answers after which he did not change the article. I assume that if he still have doubts about accuracy we will hear from him.

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Note: As with the above mediation, the previous state of the issues section was unacceptable. Issues must be presented in a bulleted list, without commentary or accusations. The section must be completed in the correct format or the request will be rejected.

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There is no need to "preserve" anything, and certainly no need to edit war over doing so. Mediators are smart enough to look in the history of the article, we don't need the parties to cause more conflict in the name of assisting us.

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Note: The previous state of the issues section was unacceptable. Issues must be presented in a bulleted list, without commentary or accusations. The section must be completed in the correct format or the request will be rejected.

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In short, is it permissible on Knowledge (XXG) to push one POV with unverifiable or disproven points, claims, and sources, rather than just lay out the facts as they exist that support both sides, and let the reader decide for

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the pope, then, in maintaining a NPOV, would not the same standard have to apply to alleged RCC dismissals, namely, that before the article can claim such a dismissal, some official pronouncement must be cited to that effect?

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Is it appropriate to claim that the priest who wrote the 1914 and/or 1915 articles that claimed that the disputed title appeared on the miter, later said he made a mistake, when no verification has yet been provided to this

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Since you didn't mention the specific case, I don't know whether a mediator has been assigned or not; if one has, please bring this to the attention of the mediator, if not, let me know, and I will look into the matter.

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NPOV policy 1: Should the article 1st paragrpah contain both POVs on the issue of Human Rights (as it has to do with Checkpoints and the broader issues of human rights to both Palestinians and Israelis) ?

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to participate in mediation (To make it clear: I was originally not interested in the article alltogether, not just the mediation part. After reading the talk page, I now think it is worth while anyway)

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Can it be stated emphatically that the words at a coronation of a pope never contained the title in question when no evidence has been provided to this effect, and no authoritative source has been cited?

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Is it appropriate to state that the journal in question disowned the 1914 and/or 1915 articles in 1917 and 1941 when it never really did, when it never said that there was no such title on the miter?

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It is correct that I have been on a Wikiholiday until something was done to improve the constant state of dispute on this page; however, as stated above I will be happy to return and participate.

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In a biography, what is the difference between significance in events as described by historians (such as being the first presidential candidate assasinated) and " "what is best known for?"

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