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02 February 2014
Suspected sockpuppets


Jakandsig (currently blocked for edit warring) is known to have engaged in sockpuppetry before. Leeroyhim is a new account created a couple days ago, yet has shown remarkable knowledge of Knowledge (XXG) policy. Both accounts have only been active circa the past month, and there are a few key tells suggesting they are the same. They edit at similar times, and--across articles as diverse as 3DO Interactive Multiplayer, Philips CD-i, History of video games, North American video game crash of 1983 and Dreamcast, among others--they have frequently been found making the same arguments. Both often fail to sign their talkpage comments. Both cite Knowledge (XXG) as a source. Both have no qualms when it comes to foul language and incivility. Both have unilaterally deleted "irrelevant" sourced praise and criticism, on the grounds that it is "pov based on aggregate" or because "I could list five other websites". At "North American video game Crash", Leeroyhim even referred to this revision by Jakandsig as "my version". I believe the two accounts are similar enough that checkuser should be used to establish the truth of the matter. TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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  • As an editor who has been involved with both these accounts over the last few weeks, I share User:TheTimesAreAChanging's concerns. In addition to the above evidence, both users seem focused on arguing the same points about the same topics. For example, both argue that the same group of relatively obscure video game systems had a built-in modem before the Sega Dreamcast, even though this claim is incorrect and not backed by reliable sources. Indrian (talk) 04:28, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Heh, some of these claims are really trying to reach for the straws, especially while being a new user, like with signing. I'll be fine, I'll just not move till its over

Edit: I would also like to add the accusing user doesn't know how to check revert dates. Even I know how to do that. The original revert was mine when i replaced on of the RS's. This is just a bit too silly.

Edit2: On further inspection, I am 100% correct. I was 3 reverts before the point you accused me of in the Video game Crash of 1983 talk page. Where I clearly mentioned I made a link change from jaks original.Leeroyhim (talk) 18:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 Clerk endorsed: Definitely enough evidence to warrant a check, particularly referring to this revision by Jakandsig as "my version". Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

06 February 2014
Suspected sockpuppets


Jakandsig (currently blocked for edit warring) has repeatedly engaged in sockpuppetry. Since he joined Knowledge (XXG) a little over a month ago, he has shown a pattern of socking whenever blocked, and creating new socks whenever his old socks arouse suspicion. Yet the number of brand-new accounts with detailed knowledge of Knowledge (XXG) policy and strongly passionate opinions about the North American video game crash of 1983 and 3DO Interactive Multiplayer only continues to multiply! The latest offenders are Tigersuperman and KombatPolice. Both accounts are fairly blatant offenders, with Tigersuperman's angry rants about the Knowledge (XXG) community's intolerance to new perspectives making it clear there was no way the user had only been active for one day. As for KombatPolice: His arguments ("I personally think it should be removed entirely because I can find 2x as many sources that say it was good") are identical to those of Jakandsig ("IGN statement irrelevant. I could list 5 other websites list as well") and sock Leeroyhim ("removed irrelevant pov praise based on aggregate"). Behaviorally, they all edit at similar times, and they all struggle to sign talkpage comments. As such, I am requesting checkuser to establish the truth of the matter, and please note that fellow editors Indrian and Asher196 have shared my concern over these accounts. TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

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  • I fully endorse the statements made by TheTimesAreAChanging above and just want to add one additional point, which is the timing of the creation of these accounts. Jakandsig received a five day block on February 1 for edit warring. Leeroyhim was created two days before, during the height of the edit warring that led to the block, and then proceeded to continue Jakandsig's work after he was blocked. Leeroyhim was then blocked indefinitely after the determination was made that the account was a sock puppet of Jakandsig. Within hours of that block, Tigersuperman appeared and, once again, took off right where Jakandsig and Leeroysim left off, editing the same pages and making the same arguments. After Asher196 publicly aired his suspicions that this account was another sockpuppet, Tigersuperman began reverting all his own edits and went dormant. The next day, KombatPolice appeared and has once again begun editing the same pages and making the same arguments as Jakdandsig, Leeroyhim, and Tigersuperman. It quite frankly stretches credulity well past the breaking point to assume that each of these accounts is a new user that just happens to have an interest in the exact same articles and happens to share the exact same opinions as users who were either blocked or went dormant within a day or two of each new account's creation. Indrian (talk) 00:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Update: After this investigation request was filed, KombatPolice made a massive edit to North American Video Game Crash of 1983 that uses many of the same sources and advances some of the same arguments as Tigersuperman, Leeroyhim, and Jakandsig. Indrian (talk) 01:53, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
None of those are even close to what changes I made to the article and what I mentioned in the talk page at the same time. There is also a notice in the talk page.KombatPolice (talk) 02:12, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I never claimed they were identical, only that certain elements are the same. Each time one of these accounts edits this page, that person does incorporate feedback from previous conversations on the talk page. If one follows all of the edits and talk page discussions sequentially it strongly feels like one user under multiple guises tweaking arguments and edits based on past dialogue, not four different users who coincidentally keep coming to the page after a previous user leaves. Indrian (talk) 02:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Of the 3, I feel as if 2 of those are clearly pushing the same agenda clear as day, and one is mixed. I looked at all 3 and I see no possible way this makes sense unless you believe said person would randomly do a complete 360. But to each their own. In another place you claimed that I joined and instantly edited the same pages, yet I actually did not make any of the changes you are referring to until today. I joined 2 days ago and edited the Xegs page, which I also edited today, and the N-gage page. Both of them were before the edit on the Video Game Crash page. From what I see the only mutual pages that were edited was the Video Game Crash page and the 3DO page. But I can't make you change what you are thinking in your head. I guess that's what this page is here for. Not to mention that I need Knowledge (XXG) for various research, especially for work, so I hope this is done quickly. KombatPolice (talk) 02:58, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
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Proxy editing, which obscures things.  Confirmed the same are the following two accounts:

KombatPolice is not conclusive, but magic 8-ball says: still very  Possible, please decide per behavior.
Amalthea 14:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

  • CU edit conflict!  Confirmed: Tigersuperman is the same as Leeroyhim.
  • Due to the use of multiple networks, and proxy-like services by this and other accounts, KombatPolice is only  Possible.
  • Taking behavior into account, all are highly  Likely to be Jakandsig. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:07, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Closing as Tigersuperman and Leeroyhim have been blocked and tagged and the master and Leeroyhim are already blocked. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
21 February 2014
Suspected sockpuppets

Jakandsig is known to have used at least 5 accounts/IPs in the past to evade blocks, troll users who have disagreed with him, and engage in disruptive edit wars. That the above accounts/IPs are merely his latest sockpuppets is perfectly obvious to everyone familiar with his style (i.e. User:Indrian, User:Asher196, User:Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever). Here, I will attempt to summarize the evidence exposing each of these socks, although I welcome the input of others:

I would like to keep the Checkuser option open if the behavioral evidence is not considered sufficient to justify admin action. I'm not sure that Checkuser is necessary, but it might prove helpful in the case of TheKingsTable and John Mayor ERS. If these accounts are ultimately blocked as socks, I would also ask that Jakandsig's block be extended, based on all of the massive disruption he has caused. TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 22:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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I've encountered two of Jak's sockpuppets: TheKingsTable and John Mayor ERS. I took part in discussions on Sergecross73's user talk page about the problems with TheKingsTable and Jakandsig. I looked up KingsTable's contribution history and mostly reverted some of the articles he edited, including Neo Bomberman and Bubsy 3D. John Mayor ERS was the only sockpuppet who had a happy ending. After creating his user and talk pages, he deleted what he claimed was "unsourced" and "fake" information in the Sega Saturn article. This caused an edit war there over the inclusion/exclusion of that information between me and John. It concluded with John restoring the information, and the article was back into normal. IX|(C"<) 23:23, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

This looks like your typical scenario where the thief robs the bank and I am jogging just outside it at the same time. However, since I am wearing sweat pants. you will find that I don't have any pockets to carry money in. So I think I will be fine. That was just a little joke. :) John Mayor ERS (talk) 01:24, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I see a lot of similarities between TheKingsTable and the original blocked account, Jak. They have a very similar abrasive manner in which they interact with other users. I'm unsure if John Mayor is another sockpuppet, or just another user that argues and reverts the same group of editors. Sergecross73 msg me 03:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

John Mayor is somewhat calmer than Jakandsig, but still makes disruptive edits, even deletions of information from articles. Like TheKingsTable, John edited Sega Saturn and has heard of users Jak talked to before like TheTimesAreAChanging. IX|(C"<) 03:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Jakandsig has been known to play "good cop, bad cop" with his various socks--Leeroyhim was much calmer, whereas some accounts were created primarily for harassment and trolling. (In fact, Indrian was hopeful he would continue to improve and reform, but I believe he is simply too duplicitous to be constructive.)TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
I wish Jakandsig and all his sockpuppets would be blocked indefinitely, given the similarities. I hope there's an account-creation ban placed on Jak. IX|(C"<) 06:23, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Well okay, the web hosting ranges got blocked so that he can't create an account easily. IX|(C"<) 06:51, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

The more I look into John Mayor ERS's edits, the more I feel he's a sockpuppet of Jak and all the rest of the others. They definitely write in the same way, as far as adding information that breaks the flow of the current writing, and having general issues with typos and capitalization... Sergecross73 msg me 16:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I hope an admin comes by to close this soon. We have had no end of problems with many of these accounts, and a check user has already banned several of them that are confirmed socks. Even if the closing admin does not decide to ban the remaining accounts, we cannot deal with the horrendous mess being left at several video game pages until we have a determination here. Indrian (talk) 18:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Since this investigation is still open, I have just added another IP address that has emerged editing one of Jak's favorite articles that exhibits the same behavior as many of the other socks and is pushing the same viewpoints. Indrian (talk) 18:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
The IP has also admitted to creating another sockpuppet account, "JusticeFlag".TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:14, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with these sentiments as well. I'm pretty close to just blocking them all myself, per WP:DUCK, but figured I'd bring it up here first since it still wasn't closed. Sergecross73 msg me 22:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Take a look at this page. IX|(C"<) 04:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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...and I am removing it, as you are not a CheckUser, and can scarcely know that the account is editing via web hosting ranges, unless you are yourself the person using that account. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

information Administrator note Most of these accounts were blocked a week ago, but for some reason the case was not closed. I have now blocked the remaining two accounts. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:32, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

11 March 2014
Suspected sockpuppets

Jakandsig has a massive history of sockpuppetry, most of which has been documented. While his actions no longer pose a serious threat to the stability of numerous articles, the time has come to expose his latest misdeeds. By their own admission, IP 2001:648:2FFC:1225:A800:FF:FE2E:B06C and Golden Cog Afternoon Karate Exit are one and the same, and their recent attempt to restore inaccurate Atari XEGS sales data added multiple times by Jaksandig and company should be a giant red flag. As for AustralianPope: Compare his rhetoric at North American video game crash of 1983 (particularly on the "flooded console market") to that of all the other Jakandsig socks who have edited the same page.

  • IP 64.134.64.30, which Jakandsig has been using since October 12, 2013 to make edits like this, was just blocked due to his continued disruptive activity. Likewise, CarrotsInYourDiabeties was recently blocked per WP:DUCK. Therefore, Jakandsig's block should be extended regardless of the results of this investigation. TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:36, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I strongly support TTAAC's claims. The editors have a very similar manner of (aggressively) seeking to "right great wrongs" in regards to lesser-known video game consoles that are under-represented, according to him, on the project. Continually pings the same editors in the same manner, that a truly new editor wouldn't be familiar with right away. Many accounts appear right after past socks are blocked or lose talk page access. Sergecross73 msg me 22:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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  • TTAAC, I believe you got me mixed up with another user because your links seem to be in mixed order. I never actually touched on the flooded console market in my proposed changes changes and strategy list, those are in bold. I think you got my post mistaken for another users since one of your links shows one user had actually edited that section of the main article. I have never actually edited the main article before, just the talk page. Basically, my talk page insert only talks about my expand first, change later, editing strategy which I am now testing out. That's about it. This brings me to believe you made a small mix up. Strangely, weren't you the user who undid the unexplained revert by MGCMNF on the Krome Studios page? If so, then I am sure you might have mixed up the wrong links and user because you have assisted me before. If you didn't mix it up, then I do not see where you got this perception. AustralianPope (talk) 23:31, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd like to point out how suspicious the phrase "which I am now testing out" when he's referencing his second edit of all time with that account, the first merely being creating his own user page. Stressing that something is being down now suggests a change from the past, and yet, there were no edits prior to this new-found strategy. (Also, the whole premise of this "strategy" is ludicrous - the article is semi-protected. There is no "choice" here.) Sergecross73 msg me 00:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
  • There's nothing suspicious, I think you may have misread. I was referring to the Nuon Player article, which is why I said "now" before since that is what I am currently using the mentioned strategy on. Back at the post you are talking about, I had not edited anything yet because the page was protected. So I tested out my strategy at the Nuon Player article, which is improving daily. I am not sure why you have gottten present tense and past tense mixed up. We are looking at the same posting history right? I think Nuon takes up 90% of everything I have done, so I am not sure why you think I have not edited since my second post. Looking back, it was you who I was talking to remember? I said "I figure a good approach would be to first expand the article, get rid of unwanted sections and add a few more relating to the topic with at least, for now, having a minimum of 2 paragraphs of reliable information within them. Then we can discuss and debate about the information that may have bad references since it seems removing it outright is not allowed without another party, if I read the rules correctly." which is exactly what I am using at the Nuon Player article.AustralianPope (talk) 00:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
That doesn't make any sense. Nothing you said in your first post above mentions NUON, so why would what I quoted you on be in regards to it? Your explanation makes no sense. Regardless, there's no real need to bicker on this, a simple SPI should clear things up, if it's not clear enough as is. Sergecross73 msg me 01:07, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Slow down a second, I was only responding to your post above (actually, I think we both got mixed up in this conversation). I just figured that it was obvious what I meant when I said "now testing out" since that would mean "currently" or at least I thought it did. But I will wait, sorry for posting, I did not know I was not supposed to.AustralianPope (talk) 01:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I said on Sergecross73's talk page that I considered letting an administrator putting a permanent site-ban on Jak and all related user accounts. The Jakandsig crisis is just a matter of mass wiki-destruction, with disruptive edits on video game articles, sockpuppetry, same conflicts, edit-warring, false statements, and incivility. I can't handle everything myself, but I bet giving ARBCOM chances if this situation doesn't stop. IX|(C"<) 06:29, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I strongly endorse this SPI, as dealing with the poor editing of these sockpuppets is becoming quite tedious. In addition to the above behavioral evidence, I would also like to point out the timing. Jak's last confirmed sockpuppet before these two was John Mayor ERS. After a series of spurious appeals, this account lost access to his talk page at 20:51 on February 28. Golden Cog Karate Afternoon Exit made his first edit at 21:04 on February 28. Golden made his last edit on March 7 at 21:31 after sentiment was turning against him on multiple talk pages and public accusations of sockpuppetry were starting to circulate. AustralianPope made his first edit on March 8 at 19:29. This fits the pattern of prior socks. Whenever one is banned or publicly accused of sockpuppetry and goes into hibernation, another account is created in short order. This account then begins focusing on more obscure consoles and after a time begins making the same arguments on certain pages related to the Video Game Crash of 1983 or certain Atari consoles like the 7800 and XEGS. Its all so transparent, which is why nearly twenty accounts have been blocked in three previous SPI investigations. I have been editing wikipedia for a few months shy of a decade, and I have never been involved in anything as crazy as this. Indrian (talk) 16:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Indrian. IX|(C"<) 22:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
To expand a bit, since this has yet to be closed, I'd like to state for the record that in the past few days Jakandsig has been caught editing as MontyOliver, Al-savary, David Kingerman, TheGeneralofWar, Dr.Professional, FloatInYourBalconyAndFreeAnIgloo, SunrodHercules, (possibly BustaBunny) and several different IP addresses. He also posted a hateful, personal-attack-laden, conspiratorial rant as Jakandsig (culminating in his talk page access being revoked) in which he claimed another sock was still out there.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:57, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
His tirade mentioned that he believes some of the accounts are not him, but rather imposters trying to make him look bad. Quick frankly, I'm not sure it matters, he's done a good enough job of making himself look bad to warrant his block, with all the times he's been literally caught due to not signing in/out of accounts/IPs correctly. Between the block evasion he's confirmed of his own doing, and all the positive check users, his block is warranted all the same. That said, I don't believe him, I think he's just trying to play games. I removed his talk page access because he was only focusing on making personal attacks, not a legitimate unblock request. Sergecross73 msg me 17:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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12 March 2014
Suspected sockpuppets

The same old obsession with the images on Crimean Tatars. Requesting CU, he usually has a spare sock Darkness Shines (talk) 22:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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05 April 2014
Suspected sockpuppets

Kinda obvious, restoring the masters edit. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:25, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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 Additional information needed TheGeneralofwar shows 0 edits. Perhaps you meant another user? If so, please also explain who the other user is similar to the IP.—Bagumba (talk) 17:18, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I already did? Darkness Shines (talk) 17:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Maybe I'm missing something, but why do you suspect this is a sock of TheGeneralofwar, when TheGeneralofwar does not show to have ever made an edit on Knowledge (XXG) to any article?—Bagumba (talk) 17:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
13:24, 19 March 2014 Ged UK (talk | contribs) blocked Urfinze (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (Confirmed sock puppet of TheGeneralofwar (investigation)) Darkness Shines (talk) 17:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I see the problem. TheGeneralofwar was a typo, it should be TheGeneralofWar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (i.e. capital W), who is in turn a sock of Jakandsig (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).—Bagumba (talk) 17:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

information Administrator note 207.45.187.66 blocked 2 weeks for WP:DUCK of Urfinze (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Looks like this page should be merged with Knowledge (XXG):Sockpuppet investigations/Jakandsig, the sockmaster of Urfinze.—Bagumba (talk) 18:34, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm actually unsure who is the sockmaster. User:Ged UK referred to Knowledge (XXG):Sockpuppet_investigations/Фаиз_Махмудов at both User:Urfinze and User:Prstwxay, but also listed it as a sock of User:TheGeneralofWar; however, the TheGeneralofWar is linked with Knowledge (XXG):Sockpuppet_investigations/Jakandsig.—Bagumba (talk) 20:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Note: I've left a notice for Ged UK to comment here on the sockmaster for Urfinze.—Bagumba (talk) 20:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm struggling to remember now, tbh. Seemed to be clearly a sock of someone/or a sockmaster. I don't remember Jakandsig, but Prstwxay does ring a bell, as does Фаиз Махмудов. GedUK  11:23, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
  • To clear things up here... TheGeneralofWar was clearly Jakandsig, behaviorally-speaking. They were making the same video game-related edits, and it was an obvious case of block evasion. Later, Urfinze and Prstwxay were accused of being sockpuppets of Фаиз Махмудов, because they were making edits in the same topic areas, and Фаиз Махмудов is known to have used sockpuppets in the past. However, when CheckUser was run, those two accounts weren't confirmed as being connected to Фаиз Махмудов, they were confirmed as being connected to TheGeneralofWar.
  • CheckUser also compared those accounts to Фаиз Махмудов and it was deemed possible, but that's it.
  • In a later SPI case, I blocked both Nirril and Nirrel for behavioral reasons, because they were making the same edits as Urfinze and Prstwxay. Unfortunately I neglected to rename the sockmaster to Jakandsig when I marked that case for closure.
  • Bottom line, TheGeneralofWar is Jakandsig (per behavior), and is Prstwxay and Urfinze (per CheckUser). The connection between all of these accounts and Фаиз Махмудов is sketchy, the behavioral connection is weak and per CheckUser they are only "possibly" related.
  • For Clerks: I believe this section and this section from Фаиз Махмудов's SPI archive should be moved to Jakandsig's SPI archive to prevent future confusion. In the mean time, since the IP who is the subject of this case is now blocked, I'm requesting closure of this case (and I've renamed the master to Jakandsig). -- Atama頭 16:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 Done Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 15:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
06 April 2014
Suspected sockpuppets

Restoring content by last sock, My removal Ip restores it. Darkness Shines (talk) 06:43, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Added IP 91.200.122.230 for also restoring the previous socks stuff. Also, these may be socks of TheGeneralofWar, there appears to be some confusion over the matter. Darkness Shines (talk) 07:11, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Added Nirril, the usual change of flag icons and images. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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information Administrator note I'm willing to block both Nirril and Nirrel as sockpuppets of Jakandsig. I do so because they are repeating actions very similar to Urfinze and Prstwxay who are confirmed socks of TheGeneralofWar who is suspected of being Jakandsig. The connection between all of these sockpuppets and Фаиз Махмудов hasn't been established from what I can see. As to the IPs, I just don't see as strong a connection. You claim that the IPs were removing edits from previous socks, but which socks and where? The diffs you've provided suggest that the two IPs are the same editor, but that doesn't connect them to anyone else. I'm not willing to take action on the IPs without more info. -- Atama頭 16:58, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

09 April 2014
Suspected sockpuppets


Both users possess many of the same traits as Jakandsig and his many, long term socks, POV-pushing/complaining that obscure video game articles don't match his personal views, and contacting/arguing with many of the same users, Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever, TheTimesAreAChanging, Indrian, and myself, in a way that wouldn't make sense for a random, new user to do. I've been hesitant to block because initially the accounts had been making more of an effort to follow policy, but now, they're back to edit warring, (and here too) and being rather aggressive with their comments, (and here too) and nowhere near WP:OFFER, so I figured SPI would be a good tie breakers between blocking per WP:DUCK and just monitoring their actions. Please perform a checkuser in helping me make a decision. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 01:57, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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I was to start this SPI until I was notified of it, then I abandoned that SPI I was about to create because of that notification. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 02:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I apologize, I know I told you that you should do this, but I wasn't sure if you would, and got impatient, and just went about doing it myself. Sorry. Thanks for contributing though. Sergecross73 msg me 02:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome! (=)) }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 02:14, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I strongly endorse this SPI. Based on extensive previous interactions with Jak and co (check the Archive for the whole sorry tale), I am completely convinced by the writing style and tone of these accounts (especially their heated personal battles with Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever) that they are his latest sockpuppets. Given the suspicion that has surrounded these accounts for some time now, checkuser clarification is long overdue.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:29, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I used the Editor Interaction Analyzer to create this result. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 02:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I strongly endorse this SPI as well too. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 02:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Friendly talk page stalker advice, one of your edit war links does not actually contain an edit war. Maybe you put in the wrong link by mistake? 91.184.0.80 (talk) 16:31, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Look again.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
The second example shows him making the same edit three times, albeit over the course of a few days. Here's another example too, if that helps. 3 reverts, then stopped. Pretty big coincidence that this brand new user just happened to understand the boundaries of 3RR. Sounds more like someone who has had trouble with it in the past. Its these sorts of coincidences that pop up all over that make me think they're not actual new editors. Sergecross73 msg me 18:00, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I reverted edits from and . I wondered why Jakandsig was named "Jakandsig", probably because he liked the Jak and Daxter series. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 00:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I think that every time Jak makes a new sockpuppet, its obvious that each one of them is a block evading editor. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 01:36, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I discovered this IP who seemed quiet at first, but actually was annoying because he reverted my edits (again). }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 22:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Every single sockpuppet Jak ever made doesn't always have the same tone as Jak himself. If he's Jakandsig, he's abusive. If he's someone else, he tries to be someone else but fails through doing the same things over and over again. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 22:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I had a debate on my user talk page regarding the classification/labeling of Impossible Mission, an Commodore 64/Atari 7800 video game, as an "exploration-based" game and how could it ever contain any sort of "exploration" elements in the gameplay. It started out okay, but then it grew into a complete mess with Jak's brutal, harmful, disrespectful comments against me and hardly any respect for the original point of Impossible Mission. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 19:22, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Per my request, Elockid checked JakIIDax and Red Ant, and both sockpuppets are  Likely. JakIIDax is a  Confirmed sock. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:08, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  • Both accounts are editing through proxies. Given the history of proxies, the behavior of accounts, and the available technical evidence, I would probably say that the accounts are pretty highly  Likely connected to the previous batch of socks. I did find other accounts:

I believe I've blocked everyone listed thus far. Thank you everyone for the assistance. Sergecross73 msg me 00:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

29 April 2014
Suspected sockpuppets


Jakandsig's exceptional sockpuppet attack on Knowledge (XXG), involving several dozen alternate accounts, has been amply documented--culminating in his indefinite block. However, few are aware that Jakandsig continues to edit Knowledge (XXG) as Wonderworldamusementpark, an account with strikingly suspicious behavior patterns. You see, Jakandsig created four alternate accounts within an hour of one another on March 24, 2014. Only one of them, SuperGangsterRapper95868686, made enough edits to be exposed and blocked; Captainsanfrancisco, Cargointheplane, and Wonderworldamusementpark evaded detection. Wonderworldamusementpark's timing is impeccable: His account was created between 17:22 and 18:06, along with three other accounts (one a confirmed sockpuppet of Jakandsig) that just happened to share his interest in Sega and Atari video game hardware, then abruptly ceased editing after I shared my suspicions with Sergecross73 (SuperGangsterRapper95868686 was created immediately afterward). Within one hour of Newjeanspotatoe's April 15 block for sockpuppetry, the long-dormant Wonderworldamusementpark resurfaced at Dreamcast to battle Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever. Wonderworldamusementpark continues in Jakandsig's footsteps by correcting supposed POV in obscure video game articles, most recently by dismissing the Atari video game burial as a "legend". I could go on, but I think it would be best to let Checkuser establish the truth of the matter. TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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You took a lot of liberties with your request including pretending I dismissed E.T. as a legend when I was clearly reverting your edit, and forgot to include others edits by accident. I suppose you're assuming due to this one user being a problem that check users won't check your request for inaccuracies while you accuse me? Not that it matters, I barely post here at all, and you act as if I have been going around editing multiple articles with this request. Most likely this will be quick. Wonderworldamusementpark (talk) 22:35, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Literally every single person of the 30 or so accounts suspected to be socks of Jak have been blocked per WP:SPI results or WP:DUCK, so I'd be really shocked if we wrong on this one. That alone probably warrants a check, let alone the coincidences and patterns outlined by TTAAC. Sergecross73 msg me 23:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

If I'm wrong, then you have nothing to fear from CheckUser.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:04, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Were you talking to me or him? Because if you were talking to me your statement is confusing. Wonderworldamusementpark (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:02, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I suspect you're pretty close to figuring it out on your own...TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:40, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

This edit mirrors a lot of the questionable editing Jak did as well, whether it be that its a) POV-pushing to put a positive spin on a video game "underdog/underperformer" or b) awkward flow and confusing concept. (Why in the world would a excavation of copies of a game from a dump reveal whether or not a game was overproduced 30 years earlier? How would an excavator be in any place to commment on that, and why would we comment on the lack of commentary on it?) Sergecross73 msg me 02:28, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's exactly that type of absurd and tendentious reasoning that should give us pause. (It reminds me of so many other arguments with Jakandsig and co, like claiming that the 3DO was profitable despite its poor sales and should therefore be considered a success--which wasn't even true, as the the publicly traded 3DO Company's Quarterly Reports demonstrate--or the loss of $1 billion on the Philips CD-i was "actually quite successful as a research effort".) As I implied earlier, there's a lot more that is suspicious about this account (especially given how few edits it has made), but given the likelihood that CheckUser will resolve everything I didn't feel the need to delve any deeper. For example, the sentence that Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever and Wonderworldamusementpark were fighting over at Dreamcast had previously been disputed by CarrotsInYourDiabeties. Likewise, many Jakandsig socks before him (such as Virtual Ray) have accused me of using my suspicions as a pretext for "disruption". Above, Wonderworldamusementpark defends himself by stating that (1.) I am hoping admins will accept my claims at face value due to paranoia, (2.) he hasn't made many edits to Knowledge (XXG) anyway, and (3.) this SPI should be over "quickly": All lines of defense previously used by Jakandsig socks such as Leeroyhim, AustralianPope, and KombatPolice (among others). I could go on about Wonderworldamusementpark, his user page and mobile edits, but you get the idea: If I'm wrong, then he should be relieved CU is here to clear the air. BTW, I believe that the total number of accounts/IPs used (abused) by Jakandsig is probably closer to 40 or 50 counting those archived on April 20 and 22, those mentioned in this SPI, those that I considered suspicious but did not report, and those (like JusticeFlag) who were reported but slipped through the cracks after they went dormant.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:28, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
uh huh. Wonderworldamusementpark (talk) 17:44, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this sockpuppet recent investigation until just today, after I said on Sergecross73's talkpage that ThomasDud was a Jakandsig sockpuppet. I even thought 2601:4:1E00:19F:85B8:F47:1931:72E8, Alistairix, and Iliekbigbooty were Jak sockpuppets who edited E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (video game). }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 22:59, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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