Knowledge (XXG):Stub types for deletion/Log/Not deleted/April 2006

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a group of stubs are split by nation, it makes far more sense to split further by subject matter in other ways. Thus we might have US-stadium-stub, or India-politician-stub, or Japan-rail-stub. It makes little sense to split further by subnational region when it's easier for editors for stubs to be orthogonally split by nation and subject matter. What's more, those subnational regions with non-geography stubs which have been kept are all ones which are stable and agreed on at a national level by the national governments in a stable situation, with no irredentist/independentist groups disputing the borders/sovereignty/status of the areas concerned. Please also note the hassles which have surrounded Kosovo-geo-stub (a summary of the situation can be found at

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on its way to fully recognized sovereignty. Two news items from yesterday alone: 1. OSCE's acting chairman arrived in the country's capital to discuss this issue with its Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 2. Russia approved a $ 150 million loan to Transnistria with the government of Transnistria as the sole guarantor (thus recognizing its sovereignty to enter into financial state to state commitments). There are thus significant differences between Kosovo (which is under U.N. protectorship) and Transnistria (which is de facto independent and ruled by its own government). It may also be useful for us to compare the extent to which other Knowledge (XXG) editors routinely include (or fail to include) Kosovo and Transnistria on such lists as

1669:- I'm new to this debate, so forgive me if this is old ground. I think trying to decide between slang terms as the basis for the stubs is unencyclopaedic. I think the only way to ensure unambiguity is to have 'Association Football' as a stub, and also 'Australian Rules Football', 'American Football', and any other formal names. Footy and soccer are localised slang terms. Many British and some European people will actually take offense at the use of 'soccer' for what they/we call 'football'; and 'footy' can be spelled differently (footie) and has almost as many meanings as football anyway. If we're going to do this, I think we should give each sport its proper name, then do redirects where people search using slang terms. 2926:. No problem with that one at all, and it's great you have a lot of material to add. The problem is simply that one stub type can set a precedent in similar cases, and we're really trying to avoid all sorts of problems with other hotspots around the world - e.g. Chechnya, the TRNC, Kosovo, Abkhasia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Xinjiang, etc etc, since templates relating to these regions risk becoming the battleground of edit wars. By the same standard, we're trying to avoid stub templates sorting people according to ethnic groups / "races" (or sex for that matter). This is why we've made internationally recognized borders the backbone of the current system. 3385:

articles." to supposing that being less than that size is reasonable grounds for nomination for deletion? And yes, they're guidelines: isn't that rather the point? Am I to understand it's your position that nominating a stub type for deletion without informing the creator is "incivil", or evidence of "bad faith"? (While asserting that the "The nomination is motivated by political reasons" is the very model of civility?) It certainly doesn't appear as if the creator has had any trouble finding this discussion (see the three boldface "keeps" under his name), so I don't see the substance to this objection. I'm glad we at least agree you

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by the UN as a separate territory, albeit a non-self-governing one. As for Transnistria, as the infobox on the page says: "International recognition - none". A better comparison is our deliberate lack of separate stubs for Turkish Northern Cyprus, Somaliland, Chechnya, and Kosovo. The last one in particular is worth noting, since stub types relating to Kosovo were created without proposal and brought here not that long ago, for exactly the same reasons that this stub type is listed here at SFD.

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applying value judgments which will ultimately boomerang back on us later. Rather, we prefer to have Transnistria be a subcategory under Moldova until such time that Transnistria is widely recognized internationally as not a part of Moldova. Reasons: 1. to call Transnistria a country would invite unneeded edit wars, 2. to delete Transnistria altogether and replace it with Moldova-flag and -stub would be incorrect, as it wouldn't match the facts on the ground (and it

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bridge players and are attracted to the parent stub category may be interested in this type of article. Consequently, I believe that rescoping as proposed immediately above would work against the goal of getting articles expanded. * * * BTW, even if we included only players with multiple world championships, well-known conventions, and common and important strategic elements, it would not be hard to find well over the requested threescore of topics.

1448:"footy" means AFL. (2) the proposal includes the idea of keeping the current names as redirects. Because of this any change of articles to the new name could be done gradually - in many cases when the categories are further split (like the proposed US-soccer-stub on WP:WSS/P at the moment). (3) even if the idea was to change them all over at once, that's what bots are for, so it wouldn't be much of a hassle. 1021:, as I'm not sure these would significantly overlap with other typical splits. They might overlap with sects (I don't know enough about Hinduism to know if much of the mythology is specific to individual sects), and some might be stretched to go into biographies, but other than that I think seperating out mythology would fit with other splits. And it's large enough and hindu-stub needs splitting enough. 3217:

the regions within it that have their own categories each have over 65 stubs. Moldova doesn't come remotely close to that level of stubbing. So yes, the US's 3000 geostubs were divided by state, and the UK's 3000 were divided by county, and yes, there have been the starts of splits for the 1000+ stubs relating to the geography of Russia, France and Germany. But please note that for the most part

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where rugby and other codes are also popular. Especially when the stub clearly shows the picture of a football, and is only used in football articles, and has a very specific text which exactly describes it's purpose. Come on, this is just ridiculous, to suggest that a significant part of editors can really get confused with the stub. If you really insist, then rename it to

1965:- Just saw the rename proposal on the stub itself, and oppose the use of soccer to describe it. Association football stub may be acceptable, but even in that case this would need discussion. Footy stub has been in use so long why change it? There has been no prob before, and looking through the discussion the other forms of football don't have stubs so why the bother? - 1622:

page or in the football stub alone directing people to the other possible stubs should suffice. Footy is not a common term and obviously has alternate meanings as well, so you're not clearing the matter up. Soccer is not commonly used either, but it would be my choice if there was extremely stron opposition to keeing it as a football stub. --

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countries think of sports other than association football when they hear the word "Footy", then keeping the current names would be perfectly acceptable. But you can't, because it's not true. Now, if you are willing to argue to the points raised, rather than insulting people, feel free. If you just intend to be insulting, take it elsewhere.

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categories do not use "footy", and use "football" only as qualified as "soccer". Retention of the existing names as redirects has been stipulated. This is, as the NFL contingent would say, a "no-brainer". If anyone can't stand to type "soccer", and want to continue to use the originals, or to create additional redirects from

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stay before adding them. That's because these new article stubs are very Transnistria specific, and to put them under the main Moldova cat (without the sub cat Transnistria qualification) would be both a wrong classification, and would also be seen as a provocation by some of the more patriotic/hardline Moldova editors. -

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for obvious reasons (consider the problem of "Euro-union-stub", to start with. This is the reason why Unionists were given "worker-activist-stub". Furthermore, seven of the ten categories use the adhjectival form of the countries/regions involved, unlike other stub categories. For those reasons, I propose the following

3099:. In fact, most of the edit wars are usually about Romanians calling Moldovans in Transnistria Romanians and Moldovans then reverting that (the arguments being between Romanians and Moldovans, not between Moldovans and Transnistrians. The latter two groups get along surprisingly well, at least on Knowledge (XXG)). - 340:-stub for their template). It would have been helpful if this had been proposed in the proper way this time, though. Oh, and as to sfd being complicated, it works in exactly the same way as tfd and cfd, and is a considerably simpler process to the old way of dealing with stub types before cfd was up and running! 1046:(ie the proposals page). and "huge" is relative. we start thinking about splitting stub cats when there are about 600 stubs, which this one is just up to - but most of the splits are when stub cats get to 1000 or more. anyway as i said there are probably much better ways to split this than seperating out myths. 2853:. Now, it would be helpful to get some more of the experienced Transnistria editors to chime in, too, because there are a few misconceptions about the status of the country in Knowledge (XXG). It already has a long history of being included in all Knowledge (XXG) country lists as a separate entity: Under 3288:

a subgroup of Moldova, because clearly its affairs and subject matter are different to that of (the rest of?) Moldova. If it's useful to people to have a Transnistria category that they can look through for Transnistria-related articles, then it's also useful to have a Transnistria stub type/category.

3176:: there are also stub types for divisions of countries such as Catalonia, the Aaland Islands, etc. For this reason, I think that, for example, having a stub type for Chechnya or Kosovo would be a good idea, because they are territories (all the republics of Russia can have their own stub types, as can 3798:

In the past we've deliberately avoided the use of the word "Labour" or its alternative spelling without the "u", for obvious reasons. Certainly UK-labor-org-stub is a null case, since there are no "labor organizations" in the UK. We've also avoided the use of the word "union" in stub templates, again

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William, your input in this is very valuable. There are very few people who know about the situation in Transnistria accurately, and that clouds a lot of judgement. In fact, I would personally like to know more about this territory. I agree that there should be stub types for Transnistria, even if as

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Ronline - yes, some subnational stubs exist, but often only as geo-stubs, and for very good reason in each instance. In each case, the parent category for the country was so big that splitting by subnational region made perfect sense - any country with over 600-700 stubs is split that way, so long as

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24 hours ago, and that it's only a subcategory because I added that supercat very recently. Creating a stub type without proposing it, when its current population is well below any sensible threshold, and with a POV categorisation as if it were a de jure separate country is clearly problematic, even

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The comparisons with Western Sahara, Palestine and Taiwan aren't really valid ones. Taiwan and Palestine both have authorities which control their territories that are recognised by a significant part fo the international community. As for Western Sahara, it did have its own authority and is regarded

1694:"Soccer" is as colloquial as "footy", and "football" or an alternative spelling is recognised over most of the non-English-speaking world. If you're going to rename every subcategory (and don't forget it doesn't actually appear in the article text anyway), it should be to "association-football-stub" 982:

If there's a POV naming issue here, it could be renamed hindu-deity-stub or something similar. Otherwise it looks like a fairly coherent class of contents. (Obviously for several other major world religions this would be a strong "delete as undersized" if they had a directly analogous stub type...)

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The firearms are barely over two listings pages, so there's no particularly urgent need for these at all. I'm prepared to withdraw this if said sorting shows some isgns of taking place and demonstrating actual viability, but not just so that it can languish around a dozen stubs for another couple of

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This looks to me like a great big fat no consensus; I've renamed the UK one to UK-labour-stub, and bot-moved the existing template-usages, as frankly having a US-specific spelling on UK-specific articles is against every guideline on the topic, and is a recipe for confusion and annoyance. However,

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the templates but keep the catagories as is. ill admit i thought the names had been finalized on the worker-org suggestions earlier in the proposal and it was such an obvious name for them i didnt check later to see what had been chosen so im quite surprised to see that labor-org was used, especialy

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I'm the one who created these stubs. I engaged the "Stub community", we discussed various ideas, and then when there was 5 days without any more comment I proceeded in good faith to create what I thought was a reasonable compromise in a somewhat unique naming conflict. (Don't forget there is a trade

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proposed at WP:WSS/P (all except the parent category,a nyway), but that it was strongly suggested at the time that worker-org was better than labor-org (also it looks like only six of the nine child stub types were proposed then and the others were slyly created later, but that's another matter). In

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also fly its own flag. If we remove any mention of Transnistria, and replace it with the word Moldova, that would not only invite more conflict but would also in many cases even be outright misleading; especially in bio-stub cases where, in some cases, political leaders weren't even born in Moldova.

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Possibly a bad thing, but the cure may be even worse if it means putting the Moldova flag on stubs which deal 100% with Transnistria. That (whose flag Transnistria is under) is a sore point for Transnistria, but not so much for Moldova. This is because Moldova lets Transnistria fly its own flag just

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geo-stubs (e.g., Gloucestershire-stub) have either 1) not been created, 2) been deleted once discovered, or 3) in rare instances are kept - usually if there is a specific wikiProject relating to that area. The main reason why subnational regions are rarely split off is because for the most part once

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had the same concern, as can be seen from the template's Talk page. They debated substituting the flag for an outline map of the area, and eventually just removed it altogether. So we can discuss the merit of including the flag, but let us first seek consensus on whether the stub itself will stay. -

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useful - far more useful than opposing it on the grounds that you prefer to use one name over another. Using colloquialisms that are not universally understood for the names of stub templates defeats the objective of making them universally understandable. If you could prove that no English-speaking

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This is a wiki, almost everything is "fixable after the fact", the question is a cost/benefit one. Deleting the whole thing as unnecessary, and a likely source of edit wars is another option for "fixing after the fact". Why do you assume I'm assuming bad faith? AGF does not mean "never criticise

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Grutness, thanks for the good input. I was unaware of the Kosovo stub and you certainly have a point. You obviously know a lot more about stubs than I do. My specialty is public international law and I also happen to know the Transnistrian conundrum exceedingly well, too. At present, the country is

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is the best option, and until an embittered Western Pomeranian shows up, I see no reason to change it. With the other Länder, there were reasons of ambiguity (we could hardly abbreviate SaxonyAnhalt-geo-stub to Saxony-geo-stub, since Saxony is a different Bundesland, or RhinelandPalatinate-geo-stub

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Speaking personally I'd just like rid of the ridiculousness of "footy", and would have no complaints about "football-stub" (which I only just realized actually does exist, as a redirect). But this is an international project, so just as I try to prevail upon US editors not to insist on US-specific

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I wasn't actually saying that I would be changing anything. It was meant to be read as a response to the previously stated problem of changing all of the articles that use this template. Also, why don't we just call for a change to football? I believe that would make many happy, anyways, though the

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in the strongest terms. What will American football stubs become? And then do we need Canadian football, Ausie rule, Gaelic, etc.? Footy is primarily a British term for what North Americans would call Soccer. Most North Americans would associate gird iron with their game before they would assiciate

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the way I see it there are two options: 1) move all the geo-stubs back into the Maharashtra category and see whether enough stubs remain for Mumbai-stub to be viable; 2) do what you suggest and turn it into a Mumbai-geo-stub. Personally I'd be happier if the first of those options was the one done,

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Moreover, the word "footy" is completely alien to most contributors from e.g. Continental Europe (just to give an obvious example), so the current situation is rather crappy. Nobody is suggesting a grouping of the European, American, or Australian games into the same category, so don't worry about

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I originally searched for American Football (and Canadian Football) stubs and did not find them. I took a different tack and found them. I change my opposition. If there is confusion, as there appears to be, creating either a soccer stub or a footy stub is not required. A link on the stub category

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code also call it "soccer" (among other things). No other code is called "soccer". Many (many, many, many) other codes are called "football". Many of them may be colloquially referred to as "footy", which may elsewhere be understand as referring to something else, or not understood at all. The

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I've added ten more to Duja's page, and plan to turn some blue this weekend, regardless of what stub type I'm supposed to use. I was thinking that a Wikiproject might be a good idea, but that would require someone more available (and perhaps experienced) than I to get it off the ground. BTW, for

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One shouldn't "revert" stubs before or during SFD, because that assumes that the stub will be deleted, which is not always the case. Also, categories shouldn't be #REDIRECT-ed since that doesn't work. I've corrected the redirection and added the appropriate non-stub parent category in case it is

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Yes, the number of stubs was a main reason, but around 50 of them were already there and just not tagged correctly. We fixed that and added new ones in the process. Right now, we've got another 30 or so stubs to add (bringing the total to over 100) but I am waiting to see if this stub subcat will

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We are adding a few more now, but yesterday a simple text search in Knowledge (XXG) on Tiraspol and Transnistria yielded 50+ existing stubs that weren't tagged for Transnistria. And it is great that you did the supercat (thanks) because then even those who see Transnistria as a region of Moldova,

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the US-Knowledge (XXG), and it is also not restricted to native speakers of the English language. If you want to use generalisations, then I'd dare to say that most of the people worldwide understand quite well which kind of game is commonly associated with the word "football" - even in countries

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I repeat. In Australia, "footy" is AFL. In New Zealand, "footy" is Rugby Union. In the US, no-one has heard of "footy". But no matter where you are in the world, you'll recognisse the meaning of the word "soccer", even if it is not the primary name for the code. It is that lack of ambiguity which

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I can read myself thank you (the guidelines are for creation, not deletion, and they are guidelines), and I do assume bad faith in this case, for at least two reasons. The second one is civility. the stub has a creator. A minimal courtesy would be to talk to the author (he is not, like, a random

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The status is being negotiated right now, but that is moot if we let Transnistria stay as a subsection under Moldova (which is something that both sides can agree on, as well as international orgs, countries, etc). As for edit wars, let's just cross that bridge when we get to it. As an editor of

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As an editor with interest in and knowledge of bridge, I'd like to be able to find stubs related specifically to bridge. Although I have some curiosity about the historical and modern analogues, they're not articles I'd be likely to expand. On the other hand, I suspect that editors who are not

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with a much higher number of deaths and IDP's in the past conflicts. In the past few days, I have discussed this with one of the Abkhazia editors and came to the conclusion that political criteria (how "hot" or "cold" a place is) should be avoided, because if we start down that road then we are

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I admire your memory Caerwine. At the time, I thought the threshold will easily be reached, but having created a dozen bridge stubs only by myself I realized it won't be easy without help of other editors, but frankly I didn't get too much of it. As for proposing this on SfD and redirecting the

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Just for your information Mikka, I've nominated *many* templates for both deletion and creation. If stub templates can't be debated or deleted please inform me, what exactly *is* the purpose of this page? Your point about the template's creator not being a vandal is rather odd. Nobody here has

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I meant to add " on this page", which explicitly covers reasons for deletion, including size. But if you don't need me to point you at WP:STUB, presumably you didn't need me to point at those, either. In any case, how large a leap is it from "In general any new category must have at least 60

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with this very template name and a similar category name. I say, let Matchups have an opportuity to populate the stub and see if can be brought to the threshold. When this stub was discussed four months ago, Duja was certain that it could be easily done, so I wonder what caused the change of

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I guess there is no need to delete this stub, except that there is a whole deal of subcategorization that is required. There are a good number of stubs, and it's a good thing to put in basic information in an entry and then mark it as a stub. WikiProject Hinduism would greatly benefit from

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originally made, I don't see why these stubs need to be renamed. As he said, the community provided no objections to the names he ended up going with. Why go through all the work of renaming all those stubs and their categories? Nobody had any problem with these until I proposed a related

2106:, and all around the world. "Soccer" on the other hand is a completely artificial and meaningless word, born out of US imperialism, with no foundation, no base, in the game itself. And don't even try to suggest that the "majority" of users here are worshippers of US imperialism. This is 4270:

I see no reason to rename them. When someone says the word "union", the first thing that comes to most people's minds is a labor union. Therefore, I don't think these stub types are the ones that should be changed. The nom's discussion of "labor" vs. "labour" seems largely unimportant.

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you will find the list of bridge-related red links which deserve articles. The list is of course incomplete – I made it in one pass. So, feel free to ammend it, and feel even more free to create the articles. (Please don't erase the links, they will turn blue once the article is made).

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articles on the topic, just a bit skeptical about one-per-book. A merged article would surely be more useful, given the current contents. Still, I'm not sure I want to upmerge this lot into another stub-type, and deleting or merging them isn't our business here, so change of vote to

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There have been quite a few one-line articles in that section that others have expanded on. People are more likely to contribute to articles if there is an existing one in its place. And considering Goosebumps was once one of the most popular children's series, I do think they have

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not proposed. the parent does need splitting fairly soon but im not convinced this is the best way to do it - other religions are split by sects, biographies and texts and not by what parts of it are a myth and what parts arent. does have a good number of stubs tho, so its only a

3323:. This category is a better way to organize stubs about Transnistria than to include them directly in "Moldova stubs". The category has more than 80 articles now and many of them (e. g. political parties) in my opinion just don't fit in "Moldova stubs" or any other category. -- 3592:

to see whether they can populate it. If they can't, then a renomination may well be in order at some point: just because there's a WikiProject doesn't automatically mean there should be a stub template, and it certainly doesn't excuse the lack of proposal of this stub type at

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Football (and footy) is an international term for the sport and shouldn't be changed due to regional oppinions. Besides, there's a ball right in the template, anyways, how hard is it to see that? I don't really want to change the hundreds of football related articles, either.

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Granted, there is still the dilemma of the word "union", but that's a pretty small fly in the ointment. Few people are going to be confused by this name, and even fewer are going to want to use it for a different purpose - African Union and European Union notwithstanding.

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when/if the threshold is reached. Of course, if Matchups is willing to make few more, I will help and make this a valid stub. IOW, we don't disagree on anything, just I'm not sure which is the proper way to proceed – continuing Matchup's job or just starting from scratch.

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As noted elsewhere, this whole hierarchy is named in a way that does very little to resolve the "what kind of 'football', is that Union, League, Gaelic, Aussie Rules, or NFL?" ambiguity, and adds to it confusion by informal reference. To aid international understanding,

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Valentinian, I share your concern, as I think that I stated above (on 21 April). It is not so much an issue with Transnistria, where the status is in the process of being settled and where both sides usually get along, even on hot topics like the ones named above or

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first, rather than be unilaterally depopulated and proposed here for deletion. I know, I didn't follow the rule (because I didn't know about it) when I created the stub type, but I hope you folks will follow your own rules on this one. A few more pieces of trivia:

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already made Transnistria a subsection under Moldova. I know already that this "Solomonic" solution will be acceptable both to Moldovans and Transnistrians in general. As far as Knowledge (XXG) pracices are concerned, my suggestion is to think along the lines of

1033:. Have you even seen how big the Hinduism stub category is? It's huge. As of right now there's over a hundred hindu mythology stubs. There's also a category and a project dedicated to Hindu Mythology which is extremely big. And it was proposed. Ask Alai. -- 526:

I'm not sure I understood you 100%. In any case: if you seek for existing uncategorized bridge stubs, you'll hardly find any. There is abundance of topics to write about indeed, but the only way to do increase the number of stubs is to start them from scratch.

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tag on all those pages. :) Originally I was trying to keep the actual text short, but we're already past the level of people intuitively guessing the name, and there seems to be a move to expand titles for more clarity, so what about going all the way here.

1411:. Soccer might not be the first word that springs to mind for the sport in many countries, but it's the only name that's internationally understood to always refer to this one sport. Football (and even the colloquial "footy") is sadly a bit too ambiguous. 452:

per comments of Matchups and Caerwine. I will also help to populate this category. Bridge is a very complicated, yet very popular card game, and there are currently numerous stub articles related to bridge. I say they should have their own category.

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anyone's actions". You say "those who see Transnistria as a region of Moldova" as if they are a minority, whose sensitivities it may be permissible to placate: wouldn't that be the position of every country, and of every international organisation?

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POV isn't really the issue. The Transnistria articles, like the rest of Knowledge (XXG), are generally NPOV. Those that are not are in fact quite harsh on the country (adopting the Moldovan POV). Nor is recognition an issue, as shown by, for instance

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Yes, I certainly see the potential for problems (both as a new Knowledge (XXG) editor and as a practioner of public international law). Disregarding the flag for now (which I suggest we discuss after we know if this stub category can stay or not),

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prevail over that of what's very likely to be a majority of users here of the word to mean something else. (To say nothing of the other majority usages.) But if no-one has complained about the redirect (and all while the NFLers have to type

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since we haven't been making city-specific geo-stubs unless there is a WikiProject. But given the number of geo-stubs, your suggestion might well be the better one. Is there a Maharashtra-stub (i.e., non-geo)? And/or is there a WikiProject?

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deleting the redirect would also be a recipe for confusion and annoyance, given the clear pattern of the other templates. I won't archive this immediately, in any there's late-breaking agreement, or someone fancies doing something

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Why is 'American Football' called "football"? the ball is 'hand-carried' all the way down the field and if the ball actually touches the ground(a fumble), all play is stopped. Should it not be called handball, to be more correct?

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I'd be amazed if this one can't be populated from myth-stub and ancient-Egypt-stub. If it can't, though, perhaps it should be deleted for now and recreated if needed later. Should have a look for some possible stubs first, though!

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create edit wars), whereas 3. To classify Transnistria as a geographical region under Moldova, and have the category be a subcategory under Moldova, is the current status quo both in Knowledge (XXG) and in Transnistria itself. -

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are not being asked to change hundreds of articles, either, so that's hardly grounds for opposition. The presence of an image in the template is neither here nor there: that works just as well as a justification for calling it

2115:, if you must. Though I still don't see the point. I'm not from the UK, but still I had no problem with using "footy-stub", as it's clearly obvious what it means. But definitely stay away from "soccer" or any other US-terms. -- 1431:. I don't think "footy" is so obscure that it cuases confusion. There are a huge number of articles that use this template and its descendents (literally thousands). Are you really prepared to change every single one of them? 3261:

in their life been subject to Moldovan jurisdiction would indicate POV, especially if we know better and if we already know which solution that will satisfy both sides. Considering the alternatives, I therefore still vote for

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intuitive, and people who are not versed in stubs can use it with a positive result. It's not too large a task to sort the category from time to time, and I have yet to see the tag used on an non-trade union related topic.

3188:). I think we should simply use the specificity principle here - if categorising an article as a Transnistria stub is more specific than as Moldovan stub, we should use it. If someone creates 100 stubs on streets in 2957:

the template stays, I believe everything and everyone associated with Transnistria should be double-stubbed with the similar Moldova-stubs. Otherwise, Knowledge (XXG) can be accused of taking sides in this conflict.

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This ridiculous name discussion has been all over wikipedia, numerous times. It's old, tiresome, and it won't get better with repeating it again and again. Go and work on some articles instead, do something useful.

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is the problem. Besides, if you have 72 articles in total, I don't think 60+ of them will be stubs. ("stub" = a very very short article). If that is the case, it'd be the first time I've seen such a percentage.

662:, you will see a very long, yet still very incomplete list of Mexican cuisine with numerous redlinks. My opinion is that the category is just currently underpopulated and could easily get 50 or more articles. 533:

Matchups, as per the guidelines 30-odd articles isn't enough for a separate stub type. So the first question is, would you rather pick those out of one-page listing of bridge-and-whist-type-games, or out of

2777:). 1) Well established practice says that only internationally recognized countries are assigned stub templates (former countries like Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and the Roman Empire are also allowed). See 3351:

Please assume good faith, especially where good faith should be as easy, and bad faith as hard, to assume as in this case: the stated reasons for the nomination included "Used on a mere 7 articles": see

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If the latter names are chosen for the categories, then the remaining three should also be changed to match. Furthermore, several of these categories are very small and it may be worth considering

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Then how about you add more stuff to it before deleting it? The Goosebumps section list over 60 books that need to be given entries, so chances are the stub will probably used again in the future.

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I don't understand the basis for this opposition (assuming there is one). Why do you ask about Americal football stubs? I'm not proposing they'd change at all. I'm certainly not proposing that

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The problem with that is, of course, that the names the came up with are problematic ones, and several of the categories don't come close to threshold. The stub types I;'m referring to are:

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this can be populated to the sort of level suggested by Matchups. ISTR a similar stub cat was considered 9but not formally proposed) once before (which is the reason why brighes have bridge-

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we have been over and over and over this name thing, football is a/the correct name for the sport no matter what else followers of other codes want to call it. Footy is a nice contraction.

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arrived in the country's capital. Also, the fact that it is used on a mere 7 articles is not an argument for deletion but merely a reflection of the stub being created just a month ago. -

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it's used for geographical features as well as other items related to Mumbai. It's used on 67 articles. As geographical use seems to dominate, my first-sight suggestion is to rename it to

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These are actively used stubs by an active community that is new. I can't see the point in clumping around renaming them. Worker-org was suggested but as I noted the first time around,

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to Rhineland-geo-stub, since the Rhineland is something different, or BadenWurttemberg-geo-stub to Baden-geo-stub, because there are many places called Baden); here there are none. --

2637:). We know that there's more to the Bundesland than just Mecklenburg, but it's so much easier this way. The stub template's title is only supposed to be a mnemonic, not an authority. 1520:

Oops, was that my hallux I just barraged? Yes, I left that "or whatever else" a little open-ended, lest we end up with a scattergun of different templates for no particular reason.

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I wouldn't bother; there's not really a consensus to delete. Let's revisit this in a month or three, and if it still contains 60 one-line stubs, merge those articles vigorously.

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about the historical Kingdom, Socialist Republic or Federation (which will mean getting rid of half the current contents, and populating almost from scratch), I'm cool with that.

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Someone please generate an actual actionable opinion on this, please? :) Otherwise I'll toss a coin or two and do either of the above, or delist, or relist, at quasi-random...

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are moved to "football-" or "footy", if that'd what you're inferring (or indeed, implying), and I'd be strongly opposed to doing so, for much the same reasons I'm opposed to

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mmmm. Is Disney a topic or is it the company that makes them? If the latter, then we have DC Comics and Marvel Comics stubs, so why not? It is piteously small, though, so a

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for a full list. 2) A stub template must be used on at least 60 articles. Smaller categories are merged into larger units. 3) It is using a POV flag, which is a bad thing.

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I finished sorting Disney-stubs that fit into this category and brought the category up to 49 stubs. I know it's still small, but with one of its parents being overlarge,

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some of the templates to "labour" as appropriate, as per consensus on UK vs. US spellings. Keep redirects to avoid confusion and the inadvertant shitting of red links. —

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I somehow managed to read that as up to 50 with cat god(desse)s, which I thought was a lot even for Egyptian standards. Nom withdrawn -- but wish I'd listed it sooner!

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stubs were added by a Canuck. But again, if people feel that strongly about it (and are willing to do the work to change it), I suppose I don't really care that much. --

3180:, etc.) Additionally, I would agree with having a Transnistria stub type, since stub types do not necessarily indicate sovereignty (again, one can make a stub type for 2742:. Transnistria may not be officially recognized at this point in time, but it is a bit over to top to tell it's 600,000 inhabitants that their country doesn't exist. - 3038:

When you say that a lot of them weren't tagged, and that they're a "subsection" of the Moldavan category, it would seem more accurate to say that a lot of them didn't

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Note also that in Transnistria you now have a new generation coming of age which was born under independence. Putting a Moldovan flag on these people who have

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As it's now in fact been populated, I'm withdrawing the nom. (Which is easily enough done, given that seemingly I neglected to tag it in the first place.)

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D'oh guys did you have to make even SfD so complicated business? This was created by a new user, I reverted 5 linked pages and told him about the procedure (

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since only two or three countries in the world use that spelling. also as it says in that debate the name union-stub was rejected as being too ambiguous.

3335:. The nomination is motivated by political reasons which IMO should be rejected outright as non-encyclopedic without wasting time for further discussion. 1941:- Everytime I hear the word "soccer" I scream. Football (soccer) is bad enough. Don't make it any worse. Oh, and by the way, "footy" is equally horrible! 3509: 1309: 1081:

oops sorry - yes it is there. in that case i withdraw this nom. i still dont think its the best way to split them but since its all been approved etc...

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as soccer seems to be the only unambiguous, common term. Even football-stub would be better than footy-stub, as it's still ambiguous, but less obscure.

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I was wondering when you'd turn up. The problem is that you've apparently not read a single word of the correct procedure for creating stub templates (

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Just for good measure, I've created the third-nominated variant: I don't see any consensus for deleting or mass-moving any of them, at this point.

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stub type using either of those names: ambiguity, and scope for confusion. Note it's not possible to "leave it alone as football-stub", since it's

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Actually ISTR it's Peru with most of the stadium stubs - but yes, rescoping to latin America would be useful. We don't even have Mexico-struct-stub!

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Oh good grief. Let's go over (and over and over and over and over) it some more until we end up with a more reasonable result, then. Followers of

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accused William of anything of the sort. I've never considered William to be anything but a valuable contributor, and I'll stick to that analysis.

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Regarding the flag. I'm quite sure people in Moldova consider it to be POV. Knowledge (XXG) has editors from virtually every country in the world.

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Small, and problematic. Several of the articles are either double-stubbed with more plausible types, or seem entirely wrongly tagged (I assume

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As said on the proposal page, I'll buy a redirect if that'll make everybody happy, but the template should still be moved to a consistent name.

4363:, which has a "revolutionary" connotation (in my opinion, at least). I think the labor v. labour argument is silly, especially considering the 2396:

Perhaps we should see how AFD-proof the first batch of one-line-articles-with-no-evidence-of-separate-notability are before we turn out more?

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those thinking of voting delete, if it does get deleted, it will be back on WP:WSS/P before too long, making poor use of everyone's time.

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never poroposed. A latin american stadium stub would be good tho - there are loads of south american ones, especially argentinian ones.

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Not proposed and created 1 month ago about a "country" not recognized by even a single nation in the world. Used on a mere 7 articles.

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On the basis that some sorting effort is better than none, and that some growth potential has been alleged, I'm going to suggest we

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that scenario. Problem is that "soccer" is *the* internationally recognized word, nomatter if some of us personally hate the term.

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1) Discoveries do occasionally by-pass the discovery page if it's clear they are potential deletion material; 2) the threshold for

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Transnistria related subjects I can tell you that Transnistria isn't really an edit-war magnet. We get some of that on the main

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Although I do not like the term soccer, the term football is a bit ambiguous. Soccer-stub would be a more accurate stub type. --

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A while back it looks like two editors between them created ten categories and templates connected with trade/labour unions.

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With a mere 11 articles, can it be rescoped? Or populated? Or upmerged in a bifurcated fashion? Who knows. If not, then

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is highly inconsistent, since all the others are under their English translations (Saxony-geo-stub, not Sachsen-geo-stub,

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I don't like the term "soccer" since it is not European English (yet) but it is still the term most users will recognize.

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usages of words such as "watershed", non-MoS punctuation, etc, it seems problematic to insist that one usage of the word

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now contains 100 articles... And many more to be created according to the list of task on WikiProject_Contract_bridge.

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more "regional" than "soccer", and is simply not a generally accepted descriptor of the topic: it fails to appear in

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These stubs are useful and will also make it easier for editors who write missouri-related articles in the future. --

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By the way, a lot of Transnistria stubs weren't tagged. Some of us are currently cleaning that up. So far, there are

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has political conotations in the labour world, and I would choose to avoid political issues before spelling issues.

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because some of us know a lot about the subject matter but next to nothing about stubs. They key here are the words

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You're right about Pomerania being with one M :) (switching between three languages messes things up). According to

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as the target, since the amount of frankly baseless opposition the word "soccer" clearly provokes is truly epic.

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changing - get over it) - soccer (or association football) is the only two internationally known words for this. /

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any case, the templates and categories still need a rename, and the Oceania stub type is still dangerously thin.

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valid topic has an inherent right to all technical support available in wikipedia for information maintenance. `'

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Why does this page say that types should be deleted if they have fewer than 50 pages, but elsewhere it says 60?

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Having said all that, as long as those who object to these stubs are offering to rename them, have a blast. --

2237: 1542: 723: 3226:- these give a strong and clear indication of why having stubs for disputed areas is generally a bad thing. 2819:. Agree. This cuts badly across the idea of NPOV re stubs, which go by internationally recognised countries. 716: 4807: 4634: 3441: 3143: 1861: 4855:, Serbia-Montenegro stub should be used (same country, different name). Stub has got potential. Regards, -- 3000:

for Transnistria is another matter (Knowledge (XXG) also has those for the TRNC and Nagorno-Karabakh), but

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It's pretty clear that you know a lot about the region, and I have no objection to the "ordinary" category

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very sensible, but is tiny, has always been tiny, and seems to be if anything shrinking. If this can't be

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are run by stricter guidelines than ordinary categories. There's no problem that you have a category, the

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Not so much memory as rereading the discussion after I found it in the archive. If kept, I do have a

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At least that sounds somewhat positive. Sorry, but I'm still very worried about setting a precedent.

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Apparently the material has grown and some material had not been tagged. Now up to 67 articles so

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I'm not insulting, I'm just suggesting to do something else than trying do drag people into this

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the German version is also used on the English part of the 'net, but I'm happy with either one.

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Sorting Comics stubs brought this up to 68 stubs, so I'm upgrading mmy weak keep to just plain

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Tiny population; possibly rescope to Central America/Latin America/the Americas in general?

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I need some sort of a specific final consensus on exactly what to do, and then I'm gonna let

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rename based on common usage arguments given above. Also, "footy" just sounds ... strange. --

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a stub category is 60 - the level for potential deletion is normally 50. However, I'd vote a

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bridge-stub, I just thought that it would be simpler to speedy it and restart the proces on

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One article, itself borderline for being a -geo-stub. Populate, upmerge, or just delete.

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assuming of bad faith, but I couldn't disagree more with your "defence of justification".

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive20#WikiProject Organized Labour

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Again and again and again... Can't you guys get a life and stop beating this dead horse?

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careful with that last comment Alai... someone who shall remain nameless may be reading!

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I need to know how to act to close this one out. What stub type shall I upmerge to? --

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Cough. Well, I'm a little slow in modifying my frustration from earlier. Renaming from

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This part of the hierarchy indeed seems to have evolved in a rather haphazard manner.

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and possibly also require that anything geographical be double stubbed, as they do. -

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the redirect, on the off-chance I ever need to type this monster, but I'm fine with

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Only eight articles - never likely to reach threshold, never proposed, no category.

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No country has officially recognize it, that's why officially it doesn't exist. --

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if it indeed seems to be undersized, as per Duja's suggestion immediately above,

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rather than as a separate entity, will feel OK. As for the other issues, please

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The reason this came to attention at all is because a new stub was proposed at

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page, but almost never anywhere else - not even on "heated" subjects such as

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It appears that more material exists to this one, so I'm changing my vote to a

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make {{tl:bridge-game-stub}} a redirection to {{tl:card-game-stub}} (as is now)

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#.7B.7BHindu-myth-stub.7D.7D

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isn't a big issue for me if there is interest in that. I am still opposed to

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now (so it is fairly useful). Making stub templates easily comprehensible to

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There are several Disney stubs that could probably be moved to this subtype,

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Proposed *today* on WP:WSS/P and created after four hours! Should have been

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attach {{tl:bridge-game-stub}} to appropriate articles (currently around 30)

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even though I fully understand your concerns and even share them myself. -

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to include historical bridge variants, and whist-type games in general.

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of wrapping this up? It's been a month, and I'm tired of looking at the

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to be consistant with similar stubs (if *ultra* correct, it should be

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As for the Oceania stub. I'm working through the alphabet creating

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use of football instead of footy in the stub also works, anyways.

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Please create all the "regular categories" you wish, but this is

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yet large enough to support any possible split as a stub type.

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Comment: Now up to 45 articles. The parent category is now 60+.

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which relate to bridge; there are also a few other articles in

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of the Moldova category (it is a subsection under Moldova). -

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Far too narrow. Stub types are for where there's at least 60

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Created in December, used on 20 articles. The parent category

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stubs should be marked with varieties of Missouri-stub, BTW.

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and was thus adopted, way back when. But it's still awful.

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Created in December, used on 11 articles. Splitting comics

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of course. Such stubs shouldn't be that hard to locate. —

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This one needs to be dealt with. Currently, it feeds into

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OK, people, let's cut the crap and put up the sleeves. On

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Knowledge (XXG):Deletion review#Template:Kosovo-geo-stub

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footy with it. Please just leave it as football-stub. --

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Note that the normative threshold for stub types is

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Then I'll get to work on increasing the category.--

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Shouldn't be that difficult. — 3125:For the same reasons as explained above. -- 2098:recognized term for the game. It's used by 690:Another undersized split of the firearms. 4806:because has over 5 pages in the category. 4201:, but I'll get there soon enough I think. 4150:union/labor/labour union three way here). 3964:Category:India workers' organization stubs 1394:to the unambig "soccer-", throughout, but 1322:and possibly give it a separate category. 4787:If can be populated with things that are 4731:is a citizen of Serbia and Montenegro). 4507:Category:United Kingdom trade union stubs 4043:Category:South American trade union stubs 3989:Category:North American trade union stubs 3898:Category:Asia workers' organization stubs 3776:Category:United Kingdom trade union stubs 3760:Category:South American trade union stubs 3728:Category:North American trade union stubs 2669:_{{MecklenburgVorpommern-geo-stub}}": --> 2560:To be *ultraultra* correct, it should be 2545:_{{MecklenburgVorpommern-geo-stub}}": --> 565:to include other card games as per Alai. 4571:Category:South America trade union stubs 4539:Category:United States labor union stubs 4524:Category:North America trade union stubs 4047:Category:South America trade union stubs 3993:Category:North America trade union stubs 3792:Category:United States labor union stubs 3588:Given that there is a WikiProject, then 2795:very bad idea for a seperate stub type. 2775:WP:WSS/P#Proposing_new_stubs_-_procedure 2613:Please please please don't make us type 2378:stubs despite efforts to populate it. -- 2317:Not through want of trying on my part. 1581:makes it ideal as a stub template name. 503:if it's going to be 60+. Also consider 2660:So, what final action shall I take? -- 2387:49 now. I'll add more if you need it.-- 18:Knowledge (XXG):Stub types for deletion 3526:, given it's current size of nothing. 3461:a geo-stub - and it is one now again. 1440:a few small comments: (1) footy isn't 1042:cant find any sign of the proposal at 477:un-redirect the bridge-stub when done? 292:I had only linked 3 pages, not 5 (see 4590:as it is for the simple fact that it 3252:as they let the autonomous region of 2535:MecklenburgWesternPommerania-geo-stub 2469:Were one upmerging though, I believe 868:Upmerge into Filipino people stubs -- 7: 4729:Prince George of Yugoslavia (1984- ) 3832:Category:Workers' organization stubs 2618:MecklenburgWesternPomerania-geo-stub 2565:MecklenburgWesternPomerania-geo-stub 2540:but that name's almost unbearable.) 2426:extremely feeble and ennervated keep 1306:Category:Maharashtra geography stubs 3923:Category:European trade union stubs 3696:Category:European trade union stubs 2419:I'm not suggesting there should be 2374:. Scope too narrow, and still only 890:given the new size: anyone else? 4556:Category:Oceania trade union stubs 4445:Category:Afirica trade union stubs 3857:Category:African trade union stubs 3744:Category:Oceania trade union stubs 3664:Category:African trade union stubs 2843:Category:Palestine_geography_stubs 832:Category:Filipino politician stubs 302:There are currently 33 entries in 32: 4764:This stub type is sensible (like 4492:Category:Europe trade union stubs 3956:Category:Indian trade union stubs 3927:Category:Europe trade union stubs 3861:Category:Africa trade union stubs 3712:Category:Indian trade union stubs 3631:All without proposing them first. 1851:, hopefully for the last time. – 841:in also undersized, so I propose 561:. 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