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1456:. I'm flabbergasted how anyone could nominate this template for deletion. It is widely used, a superb link between articles and an ideal navigational tool. Not alone IMHO is this nomination absurd in the extreme, posting that ruddy great deletion deletion line has managed to screw up large numbers of articles, with text pushed off to the side. One feature article is now an unreadable mess thanks to that. As to that stuff about "those who need to compulsively group things" — that is what encyclopaedias 1473: 1115:. Many of these templates survived recent TfD discussions. T1 should not be applied until objective criteria can be established for divisive and polemic. It is one thing to say you support something. It is quite another saying someone else can not support something or should be denied a right. The former is not divisive while the later is. Once this can be codified then T1 should be useable without debate for every single deletion. -- 558:- This is a template that is used for substing, and it helps saves users time. Why should it be deleted? Is it taking up too much database space or something? Please. And I don't see how copy&paste is "better" than this ... where are you going to copy from? You'll have to go back to a Barnstars page and copy the text from there instead of just using subst:barnstar? Please. There's no reason to inconvenience people like that. -- 1304:- Serves little purpose as a template, while there's already a category that's perfectly relevant. And some of the things listed on it aren't in the headgear category - seemly because they're in a subcategory. Thus, why should they be possessed of the template? 526:
I don't know a whole lot about templates, but it seems to me that you'll mess up a whole lot of people's user pages if you delete the Barnstar template and many of those people might not know how to redo the Barnstars someone awarded them in non-template form.
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already serves this purpose. A link to the category CAC 40 takes up far less space on the article than the template, and occurs automatically by being included in the category. As having both on an article page is redundant, only the category should exist.
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Agree with nominator. There's nothing in this template that can't be replicated easily through copy & paste. If you're giving out a Barnstar, it would seem polite to put a bit more effort in than simply using a cookie-cutter template.
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that this template would NOT be deleted without first arranging for the code it contains to be substituted directly into the pages on which it appears. When a template is simply deleted, it is ALWAYS removed from usage
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I would view this template as answering the above questions as "Yes, No, Yes", respectively. Please consider this as a further argument for the template's deletion given that a category is most suitable for its scope.
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So what that categories can also do the job. It is a good thing to have more than one way to do things. Multiple competing and contrasting organizational methods is good and positive in the organization of data.
1370:: this is a navigational template which provides a context and sequence for navigation between related articles. This is one of the intended uses for templates: there is no good reason for deleting it. HTH HAND — 1097:
Deletion processes are discussions, not votes, and any template (or article, or image) which fits a speedy deletion criterion or which is otherwise blatently in breach of policy may be deleted regardless.
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In my experience, a user is more likely to find other articles through a template as opposed to a category. In many cases, category lists are simply ignored. I think templates are much more useful. --
1524:, it's a navagation box for moving around the main topics of a subject. Categories serve a slightly different purpose (they categorise articles), and are not always useful when browsing. 346:- Navigational templates are a better way of displaying information than categories, which have to be clicked through to even see (and still aren't as nicely organized). Nuff said. -- 184:- Navigational templates are a better way of displaying information than categories, which have to be clicked through to even see (and still aren't as nicely organized). Nuff said. -- 42: 37: 1063:
since that seems to be the chosen (or unilaterally decreed) fate of userboxes supporting/opposing political points of view. It's either all stay or all go as far as I'm concerned. –
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Are the elements of the box all going to generate articles substantial enough that the box will not look like an unmanageable blight on an otherwise tidy computer monitor?
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already serves this purpose. A link to the category Kraft brands takes up far less space on the article than including the template. Only the category should exist.
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It allows a user to align barnstars in a more orderly fashion. I mean it is possible to get them from left or right without using {| . Great Template --
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POV, and does nothing to help us write a better encyclopedia. I really hate doing this but similar userboxes have been deleted in the past.
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Who makes the call on actually deleting the userboxes? Is what I read above an actual vote, or just peoples concerns? --
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Knowledge (XXG) should not have corporate distinctions take precedence on the article space. Food type templates instead.
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Is a given article in the series likely to mention the article before or after it in the series outside of the box?
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I've used it before and although it is not as useful as some other templates I've seen it still serves a purpose.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a
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Multiple competing and contrasting organizational methods is good and positive in the organization of data.
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for deleting this. If this is to be deleted because a simple copy-paste can replicate it, I don't see why
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If the answer to any of these questions is "no", a category or list is probably more appropriate."
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It's usefulness is diminished since categories are available, which is all this template serves.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below.
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Additionally, this navigational template (an article series box) violates the guidelines of
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So is the discussion over? We need an admin to close it, no? Anyways, I agree with the
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should be retained as well, as a simple typing operation would replicate it easily. --
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Whilst it is a strange topic for a template, I don;t really think it needs deletion.
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The template only contains an image tag, I see no logical reason why this is needed
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The result of the debate was interesting. This template was speedy deleted. --
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Unnecessary revisionism. Most users use it. Also, I see no consensus on
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as outlined above. Its deletion could be disruptive on a massive scale.
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Given that the template still exists, was this an attempt at humor?
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Why does it need to help write an encyclopedia? It's a userbox.
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as per TomThe Hand. Removing it could annoy a lot of people. --
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per dragon, MiraLuka. props to Cuivië for being whitty.
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This template has a scope of containing all brands of
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The category and the list on the 28: 1257:This template is just a catagory 1471: 539:- Doesn't save much typing. 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Use the Category instead. 1415:- Still a useful nav tool. 1077:Victim of signature fascism 799:Victim of signature fascism 1563: 797:. MarkSweep ignored it. -- 541:Knowledge (XXG):Barnstars 214:page seem better suited. 94:Template:CAC 40 companies 1539:Please do not modify it. 1190:Please do not modify it. 1171:Please do not modify it. 918:Please do not modify it. 899:Please do not modify it. 418:Please do not modify it. 399:Please do not modify it. 278:Please do not modify it. 259:Please do not modify it. 65:Please do not modify it. 1386:per Michael Ralston. 1432:per Michael Ralston. 318:Category:Kraft brands 960:Template:User Chavez 953:Template:User Chavez 1053:Mike McGregor (Can) 738:per Gurubrahma. -- 714:Template talk:Award 307:Template:Kraftprod 1226:Template:Headgear 1219:Template:Headgear 1211: 1134: 1081:There is no cabal 848: 839: 825:comment added by 803:There is no cabal 765: 763:(call me collect) 702: 695:useful template. 686: 631: 537:Subst: and delete 451:Template:Barnstar 444:Template:Barnstar 299: 136:Horses In The Sky 86: 55:February 18, 2006 51: 50: 1554: 1541: 1475: 1469: 1355: 1352: 1349: 1294: 1288: 1255: 1254: 1210: 1192: 1173: 1158: 1153: 1150: 1147: 1132: 1042: 989: 988: 920: 901: 868: 844: 838: 819: 786: 781: 776: 761: 748: 743: 725: 719: 700: 696: 685: 667: 662: 657: 629: 613: 608: 602: 596: 582: 577: 562: 516: 510: 493: 488: 480: 479: 420: 401: 350: 298: 280: 261: 222: 188: 85: 67: 47: 36: 31: 1562: 1561: 1557: 1556: 1555: 1553: 1552: 1551: 1550: 1544:deletion review 1537: 1512:. 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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Templates for deletion
Log
February 17
February 19
deletion review
Splash
00:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Template:CAC 40 companies
CAC 40
Category:CAC 40
Kurieeto
14:58, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Knowledge (XXG):Categories, lists, and series boxes#Article series boxes
Kurieeto
17:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Horses In The Sky
16:15, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Knowledge (XXG):Categories, lists, and series boxes#Article series boxes
Kurieeto
17:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Cyde Weys
17:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Michael Ralston
01:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
CAC 40
Flower
party
06:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Kwertii
00:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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