1630:'It seems a lot of the users here are seriously taking this template way too seriously. It doesn't encourage people to break the rules. Its not advocating using fair use images over GFDL ones. Its just for people who don't care for GFDL that much over fair use. Obviously we're not going to change the rules, but we should be able to express our opinions. Also, in this whole legal debate: give me a break and get off your high horse. Its not illegal to express your opinions anymore than someone holding a sign protesting a law is breaking said law. Its not promoting the breaking of the rule, its just for people who don't care for it. If the template said "This user advocates the replacement of GFDL images with fair use one" you'd have a point! But it doesn't.--
971:. It doesn't promote disregard for rules, its just for users who are frustrated with some of them. Its not meant to be offensive or inflammatory in any way. Many users would prefer to use a clearer fair use picture in place of a fuzzy out-dated GFDL, and although we can't, we should be able to at least discuss our opinion in a small userbox. The template itself states "This user would prefer not to use GFDL images if there are better fair use ones available." If it said "This user recommends removing GFDL images and replacing them with Fair Use ones", I might agree.--
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1691:, etc. Its all free speech, and not causing any disruption to wikipedia, community-building, editing or readers. No harm, don't fix it, if it ain't broke. Just because concensus has been well-established for the policy this template states the user does not like, does not give us cause to develop into an
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107:Review Me!
55:February 3
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1393:de facto
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