2011:{future...} templates are not meant to be permanent, they are merely to be applied until someone comes along and properly writes the article in the way all the deleters above seem to naively think happens instantly, and someone puts the proper context into an article about it being a future topic. This does not necessarily happen in a flurry of edits, so comparisons to the related but distinct template {current} are not appropriate, and the general potential for innaccuray of the information for the reader is not simply down to the inherent flaws of the wiki, but is going to be due the unnavoidable fact that the information is speculative and will be subject to change, so talking about whether this template replaces the GD or is no different to Barack Obama misses the point as well.
1484:. However, as many editors are noting here, the project IS subject to the whim of the supervising political bodies. These tight economic times show us that our elected officials must drastically slash the budget and are not keeping prior committments, like developing public transportation infrastructure. So the project moves forward in a normal, incremental basis until one Friday when the planners and engineers wake up to find that the politicians have canceled the project because they consider a football stadium to be more important. It is this whim of the politicians for which the template is provided. So each time a "funding" political body meets, the future public transportation project
1409:. The nomination assumes that all of the subjects tagged with this template can be edited "within days or weeks" of changes to the subject. This is not true. Transportation subjects do not have as many supporting editors as other topics. Having the template tags text so that when a subject comes up in the news (such as a politician proposing that the project be cancelled), a reader can understand IMMEDIATELY that the information contained is not kept up to date. We must remember that Knowledge (XXG) appears near the top of every web search just bacause so many do have some level of trust in what is posted here. -
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2063:. I agree with the nomination, and I think several of these "warning" templates should be eliminated as they distract from the article. The fact that a subject is on a future, or under construction, transport system should be abundantly clear from the lead of the article, making the template here rather superfluous. Any reader with common sense will
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The template does not say the project is "under construction". In my opinion, it should not be used for transportation projects that are under construction (and should be labeled as such). Politicians rarely have the political clout to stop a project that is under construction. However many projects
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the template—in a simple and attractive manner—alerts the reader to the critical fact that the infrastructure, while important, has not yet been built. And, yes, it also alerts the reader that the interesting details and attractive graphics pertaining to the project may be irrelevant, as the project
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I don't see that they are really mergeable, since W&X are related alternate formulations of each other, and S is a reboot of those, but the original is separate, other than sharing the name with the later incarnations and the same hair color for the primary character.
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Maybe I'm a bit dense, but.. why not? Information about projects that are yet to begin will quite probably change in the future. Information about current presidents will quite probably change in the future. Where's the difference?
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is the current president of the US and I am pretty sure his article will dramatically change in the near future. But a template on that article would be quite unnecessary. Why do you think it is necessary here?
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