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1661:, and that long-time sports editors are going to have a significant split of opinion on point. The fact that we do not have navboxes for "all-star" selections for Major League Baseball (MLB) or National Basketball Association (NBA) is, I think, the tipping point and the determinative precedent for me. These honors are clearly important and deserve prominent mention in the player articles' infoboxes, but I see navbox-assisted navigation from one all-star player to another as a lower priority among the multiplicity of other professional sports navboxes currently in use for MLB, NBA and NFL players. 1721:
Championship teams have navboxes for their rosters, but it is reasonable to expect that a championship season occupies a large amount of prose in a players bio, and references to his teammates are likely to already exist. A Pro Bowl is but a single exhibition game, and the game is rarely mentioned aside from a selection count in the lead or a brief mention in the body that a player was selected for the exhibition in a given year. Some other navboxes might be worthy of deletion too, but be wary of being
2102:, and nobody would be adding see also's to the other MVPs just because the template did not exist. Guidelines aside, what reliable sources really writes about all Pro Bowl MVPs as a group? Pro Bowl MVP isnt even worthy to mention in the lead of any bio that would be an FA. Other sports All-Star games are at a higher level, witnessed by the fact that the Pro Bowl is on the verge of being cancelled, and is the only sport whose All-Star games get lower ratings than a regular season game.— 1582:- Hold on, are you suggesting that Pro Bowl starter templates are on par with Super Bowl champion team templates like the one linked? Becuase I really don't think the are, either in importance (a championship is typically the most significant achievement in a player's career) or in terms of the connections between the people on the template. Have you ever heard of Pro Bowl teams having reunions 20-30 years after the fact? Because Super Bowl championship teams often do. 1678:. I'm sorry I can't be more original with my argument but I agree with the other deletionists here. These navboxes do nothing more than clutter articles. In college athletics (primarily basketball, football, and baseball), the closest equivalent are All-American navboxes, which have been determined to be notable and valuable. But as far as professional sports are concerned, football is the only sport which utilizes these and I personally think it's 2691:. They are an escalating series, as 65.92.180.137 said this template can't be redundant to the level 2 warning because this template if used primarily when the user in question continues after they have already been warned with the level 2 warning, which is why the bots (and everyone else) will use this template after using the level 2 warning. Feel free to suggest a new wording for all of the NPOV series if you so wish at 2563:(which is more likely to involve an editor deleting text and sources he doesn't agree with and/or adding text that is unreliably sourced, though indeed it may be unsourced as the template suggests). The way that the template is meant to be used, as a sort of pocket summary of NPOV, is more likely to confuse than enlighten the unwary newbie it is likely to target. 1420:, as links in navbox don't reasonably refer to each other, and certainly would not have see also's to the other articles if the navbox didn't exist. The common sense reason is clutter. Most of these players get multiple Pro Bowl invites, and having one for each year makes their pages unwieldy. Has anyone ventured to look at bios like 1298:, for example). unlike other sports where the best players participate in the "all-star game", this does not happen in the NFL, since the players in the Super Bowl are banned from participation. a more meaningful award is say the Pro Football Hall of Fame. we do not need a navbox for more trivial awards. 2810:
per Boing. Wnt, I think you have got the message you were looking for: you do not have any chance of getting consensus to abolish all Level 3 and 4 warnings. One may argue about the exact wordings, but any progressive warning system is going to need, for those who ignore earlier warnings, variants on
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As I stated on some talk page somewhere, I believe that if MLB and NBA All-star game MVPs have templates then so should the NFL. I don't buy this argument about the NFL MVP being less important. Typically on WP we treat like event in a similar manner. E.g., basketball has Player of the Year templates
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Although the Pro Bowl has lost popularity in the last few years, NFL contracts are still written with bonus opportunities based on the game itself. In response to its comparison to MLB and NBA All-Star Games, the Pro Bowl still receives higher TV ratings than both these even though it occurs at the
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I honestly don't think this nomination is going to give you any idea at all of whether warning reform has any chance of success, because people are just going to think that deleting only one message would be stupid - which it would be. (But no, I don't think a mass nomination would be the right way
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No reasonably written bio would refer in prose to the other Pro Bowl members. So why package all those links into a navbox and bomb each bio with needless links to other Pro Bowl players? And one box for every year, nonetheless. Me suspects editors like seeing boxes proliferating on star players'
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to have a set of templates to allow an editor to keep saying the same thing more and more rudely. If the first two levels haven't gotten the point across, the editor should be explaining the exact part of the policy he thinks applies - not posting nastier and nastier wording of vague statements.
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everywhere on WP, but it's not a good reason to expand it. At the very least, an annual award that is prestigious has winners that the article might reference to put the player into historical context. These Pro Bowl navboxes are for single years, so such historical comparisons are unlikely.
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I actually don't think the fact that Super Bowl participants played prior to 2009 matters. I totally agree this is navbox clutter. Just as a point of reference, none of the other "big 4" American sports have navboxes for All-Star starters or participants and I know not long ago at WP:NBA we
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To misread your words for a moment, a navbox can be created if the players on it have a reunion. Do note, though that each member was on the same team and played 17 games together. I understand that the Pro Bowl is not as important as the Super Bowl, but my point for keeping it is to help
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It was already in a navbox full of awards, and now its a single-season Pro Bowl navbox in a general Pro Bowl navbox in an general awards navbox. This is just keeping for the sake of keeping (or winning). Now they need to expand multiple ones to get to these Pro Bowls that are supposedly so
1703:- While you mention WP:CRUFT as a problem, I would like to mention that there are more award NavBoxes than there are Pro Bowl NavBoxes. Are all of those awards important enough to be kept automatically or should they become template for discussion as I can see the reverse being true. -- 2315:. We have permitted navbox creators to run wild within WP:NFL's sphere in the past year, and it may be time for a comprehensive review of all navboxes on the WP:NFL talk page, followed by the establishment of some WP:NFL guidelines for the future creation of pro football navboxes. 1656:
per Rikster's comments immediately above. I had been struggling with how we, as WP:NFL editors, should handle these navboxes. On one hand, selection to the Pro Bowl is clearly a significant and notable honor for NFL players. On the other hand, these navboxes clearly contribute to
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MLB and NBA hold their game midseason, and is one of the annual highlights for the league. The NFL game is the only major North American league with their All-Star game at the end of the season, and is considered an afterthought. That probably explains why the MVP only gets
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TfD is not the place to make a point about the warning system. This should either be part of a properly-done mass nomination, or an RfC in a more widely-trafficked community forum. In isolation this TfD is impractical and causes more problems than it would solve.
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are harmful to newbie retention and are a significant cause of the decline of Knowledge (XXG). This template, the second one I chose at random, may be a trial balloon for the elimination of user warning templates, Twinkle, and Huggle as we know
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actually TfD'd navboxes for yearly All-NBA teams with very clear consensus on the matter. Pro Bowls are certainly worth mentioning in the article and maybe including in the achievements section of the infobox, but templates are overboard.
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recently created navbox which is just adding to clutter. unlike other sports where the best players participate in the "all-star game", this does not happen in the NFL, since the players in the Super Bowl are banned from participation.
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navigation from the Pro Bowl articles to the player articles and vice versa. In addition, I feel that the Pro Bowl starter templates are on par with Super Bowl champion team templates in terms of known information being presented. --
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Well, I'm not going to put up 100 TfD templates on 100 pages and nominate 100 authors and so forth without some indication that it has a chance of success, even though I think Knowledge (XXG) needs the reform.
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is notable and has an article. It is the navbox that is being considered for deletion. I hope you are not keeping on an alleged technicality of the nomination, and ignoring the arguments others have
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Not really important as an award. Any information could easily be noted in the articles of the people who won it (ie. this play went to x pro bowls and was named the Pro Bowl MVP in x of them).
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bottom-of-the-page cruft that can overwhelm other navboxes that are likely to be more useful to a reader seeking information on other closely-related players. I fully recognize that this is a
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and similar navboxs on the articles for the Super Bowl, which the current article for ­Super Bowl XLVII has six of them without issue, I believe that this should remain for readers to view. --
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in the Pro Bowl does not carry notability - any accolades typically list the number of Pro Bowls made, with no reference to how many they started. At this point, it's navbox clutter.
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I'd imagine those guidelines could eventually be written generic enough to apply to other sports if not all subject areas. It's good to use one project as a starting point though.—
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per Bagumba. The Pro Bowl is not on the same level of the MLB and NBA All-Star Games, for various reasons. I didn't even realize the Pro Bowl had an MVP award until just now. –
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should be removed as well. (Referring to, "an annual award that is prestigious has winners that the article might reference to put the player into historical context.") --
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Formally the reason for this deletion or merge is "2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template". Specifically, its function can be better accomplished by
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end of the year. Any true NFL fan knows of the Pro Bowl MVP award and the fact it has already informed one person of its existence proves its validity.
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and have placed them into their own Pro Bowl Navbox to help with those issues. I believe it is a better idea than deleting them for clutter. --
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I don't understand the nominator, this is the standard level-importance designation type template for vandalism of type "npov" to go along with
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on multiple points. One rarely would want to go from one Pro Bowl MVP to another, there is not even a standalone article for Pro Bowl MVP like
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can escalate automatically, leading to assumption of bad faith made by a machine against what may well be a good user. Additionally the essay
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I usually don't buy the whole clutter thing, but in this case I agree. Its not necessary to have a template for each Pro Bowl.--
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as nomination statement is flawed, the NFL pro-bowl, wether a "real" game or not is still a notable NFL event/statistic -
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as nomination statement is flawed, the NFL pro-bowl, wether a "real" game or not is still a notable NFL event/statistic -
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No offence intended Wnt, but you seem to have misunderstood how the series warning templates work, I recommend reading
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that these templates still cover those players (as well as players that dropped out due to injury) because they were
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It is my recollection that bot usage of level 3 and up user warning templates "does not assume good faith"
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Pro Bowl MVP is not prestigious, if you look at its TfD entry below regarding its lack of notability.—
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above. We are discussing the navbox for the Pro Bowl MVP—which has no standalone article—not the
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a corresponding article is created. I would support this navbox's existence if the article
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navigational box overkill, which just leads to more clutter (see the number of navboxes in
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as nomination statement is flawed, and the links do compliment each other in reference.—
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is created, then I'd switch my !vote to keep. As is, however, I !vote delete.
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criteria, as well as the group notability of Pro Bowl MVPs per
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for Power conferences, mid-majors and all other conferences.--
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coverage. These games, and hence awards, are not equal.—
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Your argument of "Any true NFL fan knows ..." reads like
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Keep due to flawed logic on the part of the nominator
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Yes, this is overkill.— 1363:as nomination statement is flawed. 1223:Template:2013 Pro Bowl NFC starters 1187:Template:2013 Pro Bowl AFC starters 1151:Template:2012 Pro Bowl NFC starters 1115:Template:2012 Pro Bowl AFC starters 1079:Template:2011 Pro Bowl NFC starters 1043:Template:2011 Pro Bowl AFC starters 1007:Template:2010 Pro Bowl NFC starters 971:Template:2010 Pro Bowl AFC starters 935:Template:2009 Pro Bowl NFC starters 899:Template:2009 Pro Bowl AFC starters 863:Template:2008 Pro Bowl NFC starters 827:Template:2008 Pro Bowl AFC starters 791:Template:2007 Pro Bowl NFC starters 755:Template:2007 Pro Bowl AFC starters 719:Template:2006 Pro Bowl NFC starters 683:Template:2006 Pro Bowl AFC starters 647:Template:2006 Pro Bowl NFC starters 611:Template:2006 Pro Bowl AFC starters 575:Template:2005 Pro Bowl NFC starters 539:Template:2005 Pro Bowl AFC starters 503:Template:2004 Pro Bowl NFC starters 467:Template:2004 Pro Bowl AFC starters 431:Template:2003 Pro Bowl NFC starters 395:Template:2003 Pro Bowl AFC starters 359:Template:2002 Pro Bowl NFC starters 323:Template:2002 Pro Bowl AFC starters 287:Template:2001 Pro Bowl NFC starters 251:Template:2001 Pro Bowl AFC starters 215:Template:2000 Pro Bowl NFC starters 179:Template:2000 Pro Bowl AFC starters 143:Template:1999 Pro Bowl NFC starters 107:Template:1999 Pro Bowl AFC starters 90:per Bagumba, Rikster2, and others. 1889:'s navboxes are Pro Bowl related. 28: 2712:I'm suggesting we don't actually 2555:It is poorly thought out, giving 2496:The result of the discussion was 2020:The result of the discussion was 1442:I have looked into the issues at 1330:voted as starters in the Pro Bowl 86:The result of the discussion was 2589:encourages discriminatory usage. 2286:I stand by what I said. 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