2006:, this extremely useful navbox, placed near the top of their article entries, does more for football record navigation than anything I've seen on Knowledge (XXG). I've used it dozens if not hundreds of times. It is compact, well edited, comprehensive and functional, the criteria for navboxes. As for taking up valuable WikiRealEstate, it belongs and serves its purpose right where it is, often under an opening image or in the space otherwise only used by the table-of-contents. And lists don't usually have infoboxes, as mentioned in the nom as one of the reasons that this long-term template was nominated. It is a welcome navbox after Sunday's games, a quick look around the record book. Let's keep this one.
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