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362:, a violation for which the prescribed remedy is to have all edits placed under the same account. Moni3 had threatened him with a block during the FA RFC, and had, two hours previously to the block, called him an "idiot" and a "dingus". This was as the case in which Hawkeye7 was desysoped was nearing decision, so people were on notice ArbCom took a dim view of such things. He stayed that way for months, and no one even had the guts to call Moni3 out on it. This block resulted from the thread
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The purpose of this page: it is pointed out above that this a zero-point nomination ... That needs to be changed in the summary chart, and if this exception is made, where is the line drawn in the future? I disagree that either Venus or Obama should have run; I would like to see a discussion of why,
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has 1,334 articles. What are the exceptional circumstances / reasons that mean that this article should appear twice when others have yet to appear once? Why is "this is a unique case"? Multiple appearances at OTD are irrelevant for these purposes, aren't they? Transit of Venus appeared twice (and I
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Halloween. While anyone here three years ago knows it was on the MP briefly, it was not for long and this is a unique case. There is precedent for articles being on the MP more than once--and full runs,
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It's a very appropriate article for that date. If it's solid (which many here have indicated) I see no reason to not run it. If there's a better option out there (not one of the unnamed "many articles that haven't run yet") perhaps one of the opposes should suggest it rather than carrying over with
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Bencherlite, and a site-wide 24-hour blackout (Nick Drake) does not resemble the Grace Sherwood situation, nor does a once-in-a-lifetime repeat of Venus ... noting that I also disagreed with previous re-runs named above by Imzadi. We have thousands of articles that haven't run ... I have never
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Promptly upon discovery, obviously. Although the loose talk thrown around he was
BarkingMoon are a scandal upon Knowledge (XXG). Did Risker preface her statement "Despite calling PumpkinSky an idiot and a dingus two hours previously, Moni3 was correct …"? But I agree, I should not let myself rise
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Neither do I understand the deviation from the point of this page-- that is, why an exception for this (or I have always felt, any, article), and why has that argument not been made based on the criteria rather than some users launching into off-topic personalization-- but there is no need to name
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in order to expedite the forcible imposition of a bureaucracy. Also, "in 1706, she was accused of bewitching
Elizabeth Hill, causing her to miscarry" seems slightly ambiguous to me. By which I mean, thinking about it, I can work out who allegedly miscarried, but it doesn't make for easy reading. I
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to move on. The rest of us live in the real world. This article has been more thoroughly reviewed, triple-checked, restructured and rewritten than any TFA that has ever appeared. It is a fantastic addition to the TFA collection and perfect for
Halloween. In addition, the subject is a woman, an
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Article looks in good condition, it's been more than five years since this last ran (which I think is the new rule), it's an appropriate date. Picture needs an explanation in the blurb and a caption, or replacing (which would perhaps be better) - perhaps the memorial marker, or the street signs?
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I know and understand all that happened, but revisiting it by some of the users who took part on it shows that i) they are not discussing the article and ii) they are deviating from the purpose of this page (I will restrain myself from calling names). I think that
Sherwood deserves its 24 hours,
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Transit of Venus) had good reasons: Obama was re-run to avoid appearance of bias when paired with his opponent in the 2008 election, and Bencherlite has already detailed why Transit of Venus got its exception. The OTD argument has no bearing here as articles can be repeated there as often as
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My 16:38 response to Wehwalt's long off-topic post at 15:32 (he raised it, not me) was intentionally brief: nothing is to be gained on this page by detailing all of the taunting and provocation from PumpkinSky that led to the block for breach of RTV to revisit an old grudge-- that belongs
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I will strike that and bluntly set forth the circumstances. You know what happened. You know what happened around here in 2010-2012. You know that Rlevse left after the Sherwood incident. When he returned, as PumpkinSky, he was promptly blocked by Moni3 for violating
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her in water. If she sank, she was innocent; if she did not, she was guilty. Sherwood floated to the surface and may subsequently have spent up to eight years in jail before being released. Freed from prison by 1714, she recovered her property from
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Because it would mean a lot to some people in a way that normally a TFA, which to me is an inconvenience and an opportunity for people who know nothing about the subject matter to meddle in stuff they haven't a clue about, does not. Your call,
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1061:(For the record, I would support allowing FFAs to run twice – and VAs with a sensible time in between, but can see how that could be more controversial, and that is another discussion altogether.)
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Really! You surprise me. In any event, it gives me great pleasure to inform you that it was principally PumpkinSky! Now I'll stand back and not get in the way of your congratulations to him.--
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Sigh. If that is the way you feel about it we can do so withdraw the nomination come and discuss it with you on your talk page and then reinstate the nomination but that seems ... unnecessary.--
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And I would also note that PS and his colleagues, having broken the record for page views with Kafka, might be entitled to a little slack for not having filed Form B in Hole Q.--
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765:Nick Drake
724:pointiness
702:Nick Drake
525:to bait.--
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1324:Montanabw
1193:Tim Kaine
985:Tim riley
897:Montanabw
793:Montanabw
546:Montanabw
446:Montanabw
151:Tim Kaine
1287:Anyway,
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1056:featured
914:darkness
911:Intothat
891:WP:STICK
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22:requests
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135:ducking
1219:: None
719:Oppose
651:Oppose
401:Risker
394:WP:RTV
360:WP:RTV
331:Bounty
229:TFA.--
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1034:Sandy
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