447:"Three similar reports are on file at the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), with two incidents relating to Airbus A330s with flight computer problems, plus one which involved a Boeing 777." The reference of this sentence is a ATSB report from 2008, which makes me think this sentence is original research. The accompanying note, which lists other flights, has no reference, which seems to support this original research hypothesis.
388:"The main task currently occupying the investigators ..." Which investigators? The article just finished telling us there are three different French government agencies investigating. Also, this sentence is in present tense, which indicates that this is still the main task of these mystery investigators. I don't know if this is the case, but even so it looks like a good place for
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This problem is especially prevalent in the search section, which frankly reads like a textual timeline. I'm not entirely sure that splitting the section into "efforts" and "results" subsections was the best move; I had a hard time keeping track of who arrived when, from where, and did what. A better
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Should probably mention some high level statistics. How many countries, how many ships, how many people, how many planes, how long, how wide an area, and so on. I noticed that the plane disappeared in or near
Senegalese air space, but no Senegalese vessels of any kind are mentioned in search efforts.
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This section needs an introduction, and shouldn't just leap into a sub-section. An introduction might include information about what organizations and countries were involved in the search, when the search started, when the search was called off, how many searches there were, if a search was ongoing,
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I like this article very much: it's lush with detail and annotation, very nicely done! My modest advice would be to trim the lede section down to a summary level. The three middle paragraphs could be summarized briefly in one, and the info incorporated into the body of the article. On the other hand,
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template. This template is used when it is necessary to give equivalent measures in another measurement system, for example: 12 feet (3.7 m). In a given article, its use should be consistent. So if you're giving areas in nautical miles and providing the equivalent in square kilometers, you shouldn't
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Frankly, this article is a mess, and I say this in the nicest way possible because it is obvious a lot of research went into it. Unfortunately the search and investigation sections look like a mishmash of dates and names. Reading it through the first time, my first thought was, "Did someone just set
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Generally speaking, however, a person who is not notable does not have their own
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Paragraph 3, mentioned previously, includes a lot of technical jargon that is wikilinked. While it is linked, which is good, it does not at the least mention what any of it means. For example, I have no idea what it means that flight mode switched from normal law to alternate law. I'm sure that if I
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Either way, good luck. And if you'd like a second opinion after fixing it up some, do leave me a note on my talk page and I'll do a re-review. (For clarity's sake, however, you might want to consider responding, if you do respond, in a subsequent reply so that my already-messy review doesn't become
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to do with anything else mentioned in that section. I speak of "According to news sources, 12 other flights shared more or less the same route that Flight 447 was using at the time of the accident." This has nothing to do with weather, and should probably be moved elsewhere, possibly
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And just a personal peeve: "In
November 2010, French officials announced that a fourth search would start in February 2011, using the most sophisticated technology currently available." What were they using previously? substandard technology? (Not really something that needs to be changed; it just
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relief map of the relevant section of ocean floor, but it is never referenced in the section. Where did this map come from? The note linked from the caption talks about the types of bathymetry used to make this map, but not who made the map. Was it made by a ship involved in the search efforts? Is
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It is something of standard operating procedure to change the designation of flights involved in deadly accidents. The fact that it was changed is minor and does not require its own section; the sentence saying that the particular route is now served by Flight 445 can be added to another section,
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If you're really serious about working this article up to GA standards, I have to caution you that this is a momentous task and, by the looks of the talk page (and its archives) you're not going to have an easy time of it. You may want to consider finding a related WikiProject who has an active
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Addendum: One way to fix the jargon issue would be to indicate what the different subsystems are when they are mentioned. For example, consider the sentence: "Among the ACARS transmissions in the first minute is one message that indicates a fault in the pitot-static system (code 34111506)." One
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This article is very long. My opinion is that it is a very well-written article. With some tweaking (including reorganization, copyediting, expansion, etc), I believe that this article can become an excellent good article candidate. I would like an uninvolved opinion on how this article can be
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the final section ("Media") could be expanded: its two current entries seem unbalanced and not strongly connected. I would suggest converting the bulleted list to concise prose, adding more media topics, and perhaps even spinning off the BBC documentary into a subsection. Good job,
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Generally these "notable" sections get a lot of grief, because people start asking what makes this fellow notable but not another fellow. Sometimes it's better to just incorporate these sections into the general fatalities section, but this listing seems to be pretty well thought
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Overall, the lead is extremely long and could be pared down some. Of course, the article itself is very long, which means that a good executive summary might need to be longer than usual, but frankly the lead as it is seems to be much too in-depth for some parts (timeline of
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rewrite might read as follows: "Among the ACARS transmissions in the first minute is a message indicating a fault in the pitot-static system, which determines the aircraft's airspeed, Mach number, altitude, and altitude trend." (Yes, I just took the first sentence from the
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Of the 50 bodies found by 17 June, 49 had been transported to shore. What happened to the last one? This is immediately followed by the sentence "Another body was recovered on 16 June". Is that body from 16 June included in the 17 June number? Or was it 51 by 17
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Crew information should probably be mentioned earlier. I think I mentioned this in the
Aircraft section above. This way, when they start talking about the pilot by name in the Search section, readers will already have been introduced and know who he is and so
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The incident involving the later AF445 flight encountering heavy turbulence and invoking a mayday in the same area that AF447 disappeared is completely in the wrong place. It should, at the least, be moved to the
Investigation section. And
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While I do a lot of work on commercial aviation accidents, I haven't actually worked on this specific article. (My purview is mostly the US.) I suppose I'm about as uninvolved as you can get without not being involved in accidents at all.
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Frankly this section doesn't even give an overall depiction of media coverage of the event, but rather two documentary/speculation-type shows about the crash. Needs to be either significantly expanded or removed
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Paragraph 3, which talks about the pitot-static system mentions TCAS. This is the first (and only) appearance of that acronym in the article and it should be spelled out -- Traffic
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longer than a standard GA candidate. Then again it hasn't even passed B-class review. I sincerely apologize in advance for the sheer length and nit-pickiness of this review, but in my defense, the article
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time the manufacturers of the "faulty" pitot probes are ever mentioned. If they are "once again" advising, then Airbus must have previously advised, so the article should have mentioned this previously.
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some of the messages meant; if I'm not misremembering a different incident, that might be worth including in this section. (Or, at the very least, making it a bit more clear what these "fault" messages
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There's a lot of mention of facts like "Ship A arrived on this date, ship B arrived on this date," and so on, but there's little mention of what those ships actually did, how long they stayed.
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Brazilian Air Force had located ..." Reported by who? Better: "... the Brazilian Air Force reported locating ..."
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ADIRS is mentioned in this section without ever explaining what the acronym stands for (Air Data
Inertial Reference Unit). Since the acronym is never used again in the article, it should
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Mr. Arslanian is mentioned so many times by name or by quotation it's distracting. Three times within five paragraphs is a bit much. The section is running the risk of violating NPOV.
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of ships are involved in search and rescue operations like this; there's no need to mention all of them. Even "notable" ships with articles on Knowledge (XXG) need to be mentioned
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The dates are funny too on the first two sentences -- June 4 debris "claimed" to be found, June 5 debris found on June 2 is not relevant; ok, so what about the debris on June 4?
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There is a BEA press release quoted in its entirety. I'm not too sure of copyrights related to French government documents, since I'm from the US myself, but this smacks of
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the reader should also see this other article. Something along the lines of "Some Airline Flight 9, a similar A330 crash in Some Place, Somewhere on December 1, 1999."
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to be in paragraph form and somebody just inserted bullets. I'm not sure which would be better, but this article already has a serious problem with misusing lists.
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This section should, at the least, open with information about who is investigating. What agencies, what countries, and when did these investigations start. It
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to me; consider using the formula "on June 4 the air force announced it had recovered some debris, but the statement was retracted on June 5."
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