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Well, you pointed to the WikiProject Novels job centre. That page is essentially a list of set tasks, such as "Newsletter editor", "Collaboration co-ordinator", each of which has its own priority, list of responsibilities etc. Before creating a job centre like this, surely we need to create some of
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there is a new initiative to improve novel-articles. As this WikiProject covers some related content I am inviting anyone involved with this WikiProject to participate in the improvement drive. Specifically, we as a WikiProject, aim to create 5 new articles, improve 5 stubs to a higher class, and
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Well, it looks to me as though most articles over there are in a number of sub-categories (eg an article can be in "Irish novels", "Novels with a Gay theme" and any number of sub-categories.) They specifically state that article pages should not be listed in the main category but moved to
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