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I agree that there needs to be something done for boats. At least one or two articles I have worked on had WP:SHIPS removed. Why can't WP:SHIP be changed to Ships and Boats? Is there a LOA cut-off that I am not aware of? Is a 28-foot (8.5Ā m) vessel a boat or a ship, for example? If there is an agreed
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There is an apparent cut-off at the low-end. One WPSHIPS editor related it as a length, another gave a displacement instead (quantities which I don't recall at the moment).
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would be covered by this project. As WPSHIPS finds some watercraft too small to be under their scope, would be covered under the scope of this project.
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I think that all of the half-dead projects named above ought to be merged into one good one. "Ships and boats" as a title works for me.
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OPPOSE because there are no formal accepted definitions in this area. When does a boat become a ship? Is a ship a boat?
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