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513:(4). Removed discussion of China-based B-29s, except for explaining the origination of the Yawata Steel Works raid. The relation of China bases vs. the Marianas is a complicated issue that evolved over time. For example, China-based bombing, supplemented by bases in the Aleutians-based bombing, was conceived as a sufficient project in its own right at the First Quebec Conference in 1943, though one of the justifications for the strategy was lack of available islands. (see C.C.S 323 on pp.
721:. When first working on this article, I could see that authors quickly got caught up in the MacArthur-King tension. My goal is to keep discussion of it to a minimum: acknowledging it and getting the facts right but focusing on the invasion. Both you and Hawkeye have provided with more guidance to help me better navigate these complexities. I'll do my best to address your concerns without being enmeshed in the details. I'm sure you two will guide me where I need to work it out more.
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be costly, and there were concerns about their suitability as a base given that they had no harbours. (see Hayes, pp. 545-548) Another conference was held in
Washington in March, but there was still no decision on the Marianas vs Truk. (Hayes, p. 555) Sherman argued that the Marianas could be used to neutralise Truk. (Hayes, p. 556) As noted, JCS the decided on 12 March to invade the Marianas on 15 June. (Hayes, p. 560)
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means exist, due weight should be accorded to the fact that operations in the
Central Pacific promise at this time a more rapid advance toward Japan and her vital lines of communication." (Hayes, p. 550) So priority, yes, but the acceleration of MacArthur's timetable under Reno IV undermined the rationale for it.
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For this comment, I'd like to get a bit more help from you about the maps. The Battle of Saipan map has the frontlines at each section of the narrative, and labels all the places mentioned in the narrative. (Except
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Nick-D's challenge with the maps. Tracking all the references in the narrative can be a terror. Nick-D has given me an easy solution, which is to take the best from
Hoffman, Crowl and Shaw et al and use them. I may. Before going that direction, I'd like to experiment with creating a set consistent
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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because The Battle of Saipan was one of the major battles in the 1941-1945 Pacific War, it's 80th anniversary is on 15 June 2024. I started with this article cleaning up references for one issue, and realized this article could use a major overhaul and
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Washington conferences continued the back and forth about the Marianas. The debate constantly shifts: a number of the individuals took different sides of
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for questions regarding his reports during and after the war, which are used widely in reliable sources to describe the Japanese side of the battle.) The date can be argued for: It's at the end of the monsoon season and closer to the original date set at the Cairo conference, but that'd be
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I'm so glad to hear it. I think I get the original policy. In contentious issues, a Master's may not be a reliable source for making an argument. But in historical reviews like this, I find that master's theses can be great sources for giving an overview, particularly when they are web
768:, for both the compliment and the feedback. I'll be one the road this coming week, so a bit slow in addressing most of the points raised until I get back. I'll first address Nick-D's. In particular, our bullet points 1, 2 and 4 look like they may take a bit more thinking through.
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369:"The attack took out nearly one-third of the 435 planes in Vice Admiral Kakuji Kakuta's 1st Air Fleet, which had been deployed to defend the Marianas" - this is the first time this force has been noted, despite there being a section focused on Japanese defences.
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and perceptions. I'm hoping the rewrite makes this more clear. One of citations points towards quotes from ten Japanese leaders in addition to the two that I left in the text. (The remaining two were inherited from the original article.)
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833:¶ 2–3. Global overview of Marianas status as strategic objective. Steps back to 1943 with focus on three conferences: discussing through King's advocacy for the Marianas and the CCS decisions. Also note MacArthur's concerns.
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expansion, particularly with sources, maps and images. I think it has come far enough for a peer review. To those who take a look, thank you. And I hope I have helped to make this topic interesting to you and other readers.
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Please clarify whether you are in full support of promotion of this article to A-class in view of the previous edit. If so, it appears ready for promotion and I will make the necessary change to the assessment. Thanks.
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I didn't link Kagman because the text refers to the peninsula, not the village. The article on Kagman is also bare at this point. But if you think the link would help readers get a geographic sense of the location, I
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Suggest moving the first paragraph of "Japanese naval response" back into the "Japanese defensive preparations" section, and the other two into the "Battle of the Philippine Sea" to reduce disruption of the narrative.
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The material presenting one view of the importance of strategic bombing in the Japanese surrender is out of place, and this is a famously complex and debated topic so it's not NPOV to present only one view and not the
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whole section I disliked this section when I started editing, but thought it was a kind of template for the Pacific War island battles as I find it everywhere. As per Hawkeye7's
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I used their middle initial when introducing them, but here I'm using first names to distinguish the Smiths. If you think I should include their middle initial, let me know.
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Are any of the links in the 'See also' section really needed? If these people played a significant role in the battle, they should be linked in the body of the article.
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1150:"Saipan was the first island of the war " Can you rephrase this?
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File:Soldiers of 27th Infantry moving inland, Saipan 1944.webp
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Why is Defense Technical Information Center only linked once?
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Crowl (1993) is not volume 9; the series has no volume numbers
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Most suggested changes from here until "Logistics" is in this
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The 'Naval air dominance' section doesn't seem to add anything
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Consider converting the Y'Blood 1981 reference to an sfn tag?
1673:. Your source says Saipan was occupied in 1564. I looked at
1161:" large urban centers" Seems a bit of an exaggeration to me.
836:¶ 4. Shifts to operational implementation by Nimitz in 1944.
2660:- Wikipedian image based on PD US Army image - CC 4.0 - okay
2608:- Wikipedian image based on PD US Army image - CC 4.0 - okay
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I appreciate yout taking the time to look over the article.
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File:Battle of Saipan - Japanese beach defense GAG01.jpg
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961:Is overall form of the current edit okay with you?
2670:File:Draper (1944) An LVT Comes Ashore, Saipan.jpg
1155:Saipan was the first island during the Pacific war
1966:Don't think Willoughby counts as a primary source
1593:All this is done (well, copy editing is endless.)
211:addresses adding original time of invasion. This
895:added to the objectives list (CCS 387) at Cairo,
1415:"On 11 July, the Americans found SaitĹŤ's body"
2566:File:Marines in rough terrain, Saipan 1944.tif
2523:Yeah I am in support of promotion to A class.
1399:Move the last paragraph into the next section
1302:Corrected that, and many other date reversals.
1069:" but most of their equipment ... were lost"
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2582:File:Civilian with baby Saipan (cropped).jpg
1275:and his relevance added. Remainder moved to
18:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Military history
2690:File:Isely Field with B-29s in mid 1945.jpg
2169:reworked paragraph and removed sea of blue.
1411:7–9 July: Gyokusai attack and battle's end
1345:21-24 June: Central Saipan, initial attack
1291:First image is a red link for some reason.
413:"Division" added to each unit when named:
2574:File:Garapan Fire, Saipan, 3 July 1944.jpg
1818:Craven and Cate is volume V, not volume VI
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1830:Forrestel (1966): Capitalise "government"
1580:bedrock of the campaign. Section created.
1370:25-30 June: Central Saipan, breakthrough
615:Maps added...I think sandwiching is okay.
83:Instructions for nominators and reviewers
2558:File:Marines and King Kong on Saipan.jpg
1956:Sheeks (1945) is out of alphabetic order
1881:Use degree= rather than type= for theses
1836:Hornfischer (2016) Add OCLC (1016508640)
316:a subsection on Japan's defensive plans.
2696:All images are appropriately licenced.
2089:I think these have all been addressed.
2048:Changes for this and above are in this
1887:Sullivan (1995) is a book chapter from
1689:and it says 1565 too. Can we re-check?
1396:1–6 July: Pursuit into northern Saipan
1218:Narrative descriptions are now sourced.
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1961:United States Strategic Bombing Survey
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2666:File:Inferno by William F. Draper.jpg
2562:File:USMC-M-Saipan-p891 (cropped).jpg
1863:Journal articles, reports and theses
607:; it didn't look too bad on a mobile.
462:Section deleted in latest reworking.
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2280:Link to Magicienne Bay (Laolao Bay)?
1299:"on June 20" should be "on 20 June"
388:in Japanese Naval Response, and an
32:The following discussion is closed.
886:The third is even more misleading.
2652:- Wikipedian image - CC 4.0 - okay
823:.) Intended logic of presentation:
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2019:Consider consolidating fn 287-289
1267:Material rearranged. New section
2728:The discussion above is closed.
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891:This is incorrect. The Marianas
376:Kakuta's 1st Air Fleet has been
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2650:File:Banzai Cliff in Saipan.JPG
1644:Great work! Some final points:
1061:fn 35 contains a stray bracket
207:Sentence broken into two. This
68:« Return to A-Class review list
2208:Link to line of communication?
1294:Fixed (in some previous edit).
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2614:File:Battle of Saipan Map.svg
802:American strategic objectives
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2634:File:From Mount Tapochau.jpg
2622:File:Saipan June 24-crop.png
2618:File:Saipan June 15-crop.png
2553:Lots of images in this one.
1884:Plung (2021): use title case
1288:June 16–20: Southern Saipan
1064:Someone graciously fixed it.
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2189:Part of paragraph reworking
1516:Nothing on logistics. Sigh.
1310:Reworked as per suggestion.
433:Aftermath section has been
312:The background section now
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2143:. I made most of changes
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1504:fn 289, 308: page number?
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741:Those changes look great.
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1169:fought around urban areas
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622:More maps could be added
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2584:- USMC image - PD - okay
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1277:Battle of Philippine Sea
1269:Japanese Strategic Plan
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2425:Yuki Tanaka (historian)
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293:A sentence on B-29s is
1963:since it is an author?
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1780:Source review - pass
1375:XXIV Corps Artillery
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