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907:" (so literally "autumn maneuvers") in the text, and it's a useful shorthand for the fleet maneuvers that took place every year from mid-August to mid-September. And while I understand that autumn takes place in different months down in Oz and New Zealand, I don't think anyone is going to have trouble in the context, since it's book-ended by dates in August and November. 889:"She then joined the fleet for autumn maneuvers." - just checking, but is the source any more specific? (I'm thinking of the MOS on using terms like autumn; if the source isn't more specific, or if its an official term, that's obviously a different matter) 151:
Unfortunately, there's not more to say. And as for what happened to her after the war, there's nothing more to say. I can't even tell you that she was scrapped under the terms of Versailles, because she was stricken from the register before the treaty was
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It may be that the WWI section seems shorter still owing to the level of detail in earlier sections -- OTOH if this is all a faithful reflection of the balance in the main sources, there's probably not much to be done about it... Cheers,
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I like the bits about sailing to and from China. I thought a similar amount of detail for the Russian squadron that sailed from the Baltic to be destroyed at Tsushima was appropriate given the enormity of the task, so maybe I'm
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Another overhauled German battleship article up for ACR. This one served as the flagship of Kaiser Bill's little brother for the first years of her career, and she ruffled some diplomatic feathers, since her namesake, the
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Part of the reason I wanted to include the information on the stops was to illustrate what a transcontinental deployment looked like in those days. But I'll defer if others agree with your view.
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I think it would add more to the article if you could expand the World War I section, and split part of it in two, and expound upon what happened to her post-WWI that led to her being scrapped.
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Worldcat is being a royal pain in my ass and I can't find volume 8. In fact only the volumes up to 7 appear - I have no idea why now. And of course the books don't have the ISBNs printed.
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I mustn't have come across Harv errors when looking over your articles before at ACR or FAC, as I usually make a point of mentioning it then... ;-) Cheers, 14:47, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
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You could use a few more citations in the beginning of the World War I section where you talk about her being used in the V Battle Squadron as coastal defense in the north sea.
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That's what's in Gröner, and yes, I found the first time that firm is mentioned and the full name is given. Are these two names for the same company or is this a discrepancy?
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Indeed. While checking this I noticed that the explanation on compound armor on the class article is fucked up and needs to be fixed. This article, however, is good to go.--
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For what it's worth, all of the images are pre-1923 publications so they're all PD in the US. Many thanks for your thorough review and copy-editing, Ian.
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The first thing that jumps out at me are the amount of red links. Not really a huge deal to me, but a little bit of a distraction. Some of them, such as
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I really like the article, it just seems to me as if the WWI section was a little rushed. Best of luck with continuing towards A-class!
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Article structure looks fine, as does comprehensiveness (perhaps even a little too much detail in places, per above!) and referencing.
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s involvement. Linking Boxer Rebellion in the first paragraph of that section -- which you already do -- seems quite sufficient.
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section -- all those stops to and from China -- became a bit wearing, though I wouldn't say I'm planning to oppose over it...
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took place during the then still-recent Franco-Prussian War. Thanks to all who take the time to review the article.
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I checked amazon.de and no joy. Since it was a 10 volume set, I wonder if they used one ISBN for the entire set?--
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Yes, it was just an abbreviation Gröner used - I guess I wasn't clear above. But I think I know what's going on -
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Thanks Ian, your edits look good to me so far. And that's a handy little script, thanks for pointing me to that.
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Hey! Been a while since I've done one of these. Figured this would be a good way to get back into it.
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the number of torpedo tubes do not match HRS, who claim 6 (as mentioned in text), infobox states 3
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was probably the company that actually dismantled the ship and HRS left that detail out.
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Did she have Harvey or Krupp armor? 1890 is around the transition time between them.
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I thought so at first too - but I checked the ISBN for each entry is different.
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I don't know why I always forget to check this. Thanks for your review Sturm.
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section given that article offers no additional info (in fact no info!) on
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got the nickel steel (which is why the Ottomans only bought those two)
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The infobox measurements need to be in metric to match the main body.
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It all comes from page 99 in HRS. There's no need for more citations.
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What, you mean I've been doing something right this whole time? :)
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Gröner and Gardiner need state of publication to match Holborn.--
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is based in Danzig. So I must assume they are two companies.
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In the meantime, FN11 and 16 produce Harv errors -- install
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Shouldn't McClure's Magazine be alphabetized among the Ms?
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Resuming, just a couple more queries/comments on the text:
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Great, tell the reader that it had nickel steel armour.--
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Add # boilers and engines/type to the infobox with links
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due to heavy resistance were forced to stop in Tientsin
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HRS say both - "Neubau Panzerschiff 'B' (Ersatz Hansa)"
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was to be similarly converted (presumably converted by
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after she had been converted into a merchant ship (by
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The two volumes of HRS should have ISBNs, not ASINs.
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I also haven't performed image or source reviews --
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Fixed the typo, but the rest are perfectly fine per
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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Military history
Assessment
Hawkeye7
talk
10:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
SMS Wörth
Parsecboy
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Battle of Wörth
Parsecboy
talk
19:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Yangtze River
WP:REDLINK
edMarkViolinist
23:36, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Ian Rose
talk
15:39, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
MisterBee1966
talk
16:53, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
de:SMS Gefion (1893)
de:SMS Victoria Louise
de:SMS Beowulf
MisterBee1966
talk
18:53, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
SMS Beowulf
MisterBee1966

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