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Dodington Troop was sent away very soon after arriving in Bristol, and the Tetbury Troop appear to have stayed there a night and prevented any further pillaging in the area they were stationed, with no indication of what happened thereafter. Is "watch this space for my next project" an acceptable answer?
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1104:"The Royal Gloucestershire Hussars was not obliged to serve overseas, but could volunteer to do so" - do we know how this worked in practice? (for example, did individual members of the regiment volunteer for or opt out of overseas service, and at what point was the regiment deemed to have volunteered for this duty?)
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period to 1898, but it talks of replacing breeches with pantaloons with trousers, and I have no idea what the difference is or whether anyone would find that interesting, gives colours that are at odds with the images of the time, and generally I think this subject is better conveyed by the use of images. Is that OK?
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I've added some quirky info about the regiment being ordered to grow moustaches, and the unusual way they wore the Hussar uniform, but don't think it's useful to try and describe the various changes in uniform, which were otherwise fairly standard. The info is actually provided in the source for the
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It states on the image that it was published by Lloyd
Brothers & Co of 96 Gracechurch Street, London, and I have added information to the image description I found on the British Museum website which says that they occupied these premises between 1857 and 1867, so although I don't have an exact
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The short answer is, I don't know, that information is not available anywhere. The artist died in 1876, which is why I applied a {{PD-Art|PD-old-70}} tag. The image was taken from the Brown
University digital collection on the basis that a scan of an out of copyright image garners no new copyright.
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While not a big deal in this particular article, the material on how the unit was largely used as riot police in its early years would benefit from noting critiques of this practice: the
Yeomanry appear to have been used by the upper class to suppress various reform movements and to defend the old
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I'm not sure that "renamed" adequately conveys the process. It implies that only the name changed, but in actual fact the unit ceased to use horses and was equipped instead with armoured cars. "Convert" conveys this sense of change in a way that "rename" does not. An alternative would be to write
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Have I mis-understood any of this so far? If not, then can I apply a {{PD-US-unpublished}} tag on the basis that there is no publication information, or can I apply a {{PD-1923}} on the assumption that it was published, as looks likely, sometime before 1923, even if we don't know exactly when?
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Another one from the shire. I did submit it for PR, but no-one was biting, and looking over some of the other PR requests, that avenue for review seems to be quite dead these days. I'm hoping that this article is good enough not to waste anyone's time in ACR, with a view to improving it to FAC
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As interesting as it is (I've already started researching it for my next WP project) I'm not sure I can work the wider political (and social) context of the yeomanry into this article in any meaningful, relevant way without going off topic. While there is certainly something to say about the
610:. The IWM asserts a non-commercial use restriction, which I know is not acceptable for our purposes, but did I read somewhere that images formerly subject to Crown copyright are PD when older than 70 years, which this one obviously is, regardless of what the IWM asserts?
665:. I've replaced the lead image again. I've added info to the commons page that dates the cap badge to no later than 1908, and on that basis applied a PD-UKGov license to the subject. Basically, the initials "IY" either side of the portcullis in the badge stand for
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for the lead. I would like to leave it as is when the subject is covered in the main narrative as I think it makes the prose a bit more elegant, though it could probably be better written as "swapped" rather than "traded" if that makes it any less odd for
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It was a straight lift from the source. I don't like naming the source a la "according to
Wyndham-Quin" unless I'm specifically discussing different viewpoints according to sources - I think it breaks up the narrative flow - so I've just deleted the
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Or not. I was hoping to take a picture of the regimental insignia on the war memorial, but for a couple of reasons that won't work. I will keep looking, but for this ACR I don't think I will be able to find an appropriately licensed image.
1609:"Following the war, the regiment was downsized and converted to the 21st (Royal Gloucestershire Hussars) Armoured Car Company" - "renamed" rather than "converted"? (it would make the first sentence of the next paragraph easier to follow)
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1207:, but I don't have any sources for this. I've ordered Beckett's book on the Territorials, which will be arriving in the next week or so, but if that doesn't say, then I'm not sure where I can find this info.
1754:"The regiment was based at Brunswick Road in Gloucester at this time (the drill hall was demolished in 1934)." - felt a bit clunky, since the text doesn't mention the drill hall until the bit in brackets.
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Thanks for your help. Hope I've addressed your commemnts, if not fully, at least satisfactorily. If there's anything there still that jeopardises the ACR, please let me know and I'll see what I can do.
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There's no information about how long they were active, but I've expanded the detail on what this unit did during the war, and how many men there were, sourced from the regimental association website.
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And to clarify, those two links relate to the
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Deliberately ambiguous. The source does not say what troops they are, but they're probably
Australian given that the source is. Not sure it's appropriate to say "not the Hussars" in the caption.
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1592:"the regiment raised a second-line unit which remained in the UK and traded horses for bicycles in 1916" - this read a bit oddly to me; "and became a bicycle unit" or something like that?
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might be worth mentioning in the lead what primary armoured vehicles it operated in WWII and subsequently. Medium and light tanks in WWII, light vehicles, infantry and now tanks again?
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That was a drive-by edit. I don't like it myself, and the source almost certainly won't bear scrutiny in FAC. I'll discuss with the editor and see if it really needs to be there.
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It might be worth noting how the regiment operated in Egypt and the
Palestine Campaign: were its men mounted infantry in practice, or did they usually fight as mounted cavalry?
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Those changes all look good, though please note my request for an extra reference above. Sorry for the slow reply as well - I was out of town for a few days.
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is there an OCLC number for the Fox work (I note you mention no ISBNs, but usually these works will have OCLCs instead)? They can be found here:
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1352:"in Fairford and Cirencester, Stroudwater, Tetbury, Gloucester, Winterbourne and Stapleton, and Alveston" some of these are linked, others not?
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1788:" Mounted troops riding out of the Jordan Valley" - unclear from the caption if these troops are the Hussars or another unspecified unit?
1618:"When it lost two commanders killed in action in quick succession" - "When it had two commanders killed in action..."? (would be cleaner)
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Not sure which tag you're referring to - there is a tag for life of the author plus 70 years, or there's one for pre-1923 publication.
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Me too! Couple of the sources are 100 years or more old, and it was fascinating to see real class attitude seeping out of the pages.
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Yeah, I can understand that. Just have to figure out how to get one that won't fall foul of licensing issues. Thanks for your help.
1626:"British Prime Minister William Pitt made the first ever mention of yeoman cavalry" - presumably "first ever recorded mention"?
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I believe that's all image issues resolved. Thanks for your patience and help.
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This article is in good shape, and I have only the following comments:
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Looks good. I think it might need a cap badge for FAC. Supporting.
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That looks very good, but can you please add a reference for this?
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suggest "Sinai and Palestine Campaign; in the latter it fought..."
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1674:Thanks. Hope I've answered to your satisfaction.
1575:Napoleon's planned invasion of the United Kingdom
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498:{{PD-1923}} seems appropriate. Will that do?
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922:same as above: "Neillands p. 82–84 & 86"
1499:Thank you for your help. Much appreciated.
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1484:That's me done. Cheers,
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