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the situation you are trying to describe. Is it that for the most part, the subject was off-limits & any mention strongly discouraged, but if it could not be avoided the "official version" was brought out; or that the "official version" was widely available (e.g., it appeared in textbooks & the encyclopedia) & further research or discussion forbidden?
334:'6,000 deaths and 230,000 is an odd ration' - indeed. Unless the army is ordered not to fight the second opponent (who doesn't always have such qualms), is concentrated on the other side of the country and mostly beaten by the first one (so that most soldiers encountered by the second one are 1) few in number 2) already beaten/fleeing/regrouping...
285:"Soviets murdered 42 members and patients of a Polish military hospital" - these would have been foreign national combat troops in wartime, I would say murdered was a bit strong in such a case even if they were unarmed and in hospital at the time, perhaps "killed in violation of internetional treaties" or similar.
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At first glance, there appears to be a contradiction here: the subject wasn't allowed to be taught or discussed at all -- & yet there was an "official version" of what happened. I tried to rewrite this passage to remove the contradiction, but because I did not go to school in Poland, I don't know
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I tried to address that, but I cannot find any good estimates about Polish strengh in the east. Polish wiki in article about KOP has unreferenced estimate of combined KOP units on 21 September numbering 8700, and that's the best I can dig up :( Soviet numbers are referened at 800,000; and we have
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It would be nice, and I will look for estimates, but they are difficult to find. The subject was not well researched (due to Soviet censorship), and by mid-September it was quite chaotic. Even if I can get the number for the 'undestrenght KOP battalions', how can we count the more or less random
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I think you have come up with the best way to explain this issue, Piotr -- that the official stance varied; I don't think anything more needs to be said -- until the research is done. I made a few edits to your rewrite, & hope they made your explanation clearer. --
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True, that. I think that even vague ranges would be helpful in giving some sense of how large the forces involved were, though; this applies to the Soviet numbers as well, since the actual size of divisions and brigades in the Red Army tended to vary quite a bit.
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The article has now reached a GA status. I'd like to thank the reviewers, whose comments were very useful in improving the article. Are there any other issues to be addressed, or would you recommend moving the article to
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Otherwise the primary problem with this article is that someone will need to carefully comb thru it to make the style consistent (e.g., I noticed three different ways the date is given) -- which is admittedly minor. --
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