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Reliable Sources available properly. While RSs are edit-warred out, sources of profoundly dubious character are used extensively. The latest abuse going on right now is the re-inclusion of a statement that is clearly a lie, over a consensus of a
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I am involved with the article (indeed, I am accused of having a 'Personal stake' in it for some reason), but one thing that strikes me about the article is that it has developed into two seperate articles within the same one. Rather than present a point and rebuttle, we seperate out the two
176:"As war broke out Captain William L. McGonagle of the Liberty immediately asked Vice Admiral William I. Martin at the U.S. 6th Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer to accompany the Liberty and serve as its armed escort and as an auxiliary communications center." Reference required.
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cannot be both a "neutral" ship and a victim of "friendly fire" (ie an ally) in the same context. Either unlink "attack on the armed forces of a friendly nation" - the text is correct but not the link to "friendly fire" - or remove "neutral". (Recommend the
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