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look (and that was my point, really): the Swedish one (and Sweden is the only country in Europe where they never looked at Russia through Polish eyes) says Russia (and not "Russian") for the year 1555! Why that is interesting? I had a look at the 1966 translation of the 1949 French "Histoire de la Russie des origines à nos jours" ("Geschiedenis van Rusland") by French historian Gustave Welter. It uses "Moscovië" as the title for the pre-1675 state. However, the words "Moscovisch", "Moscovitisch", "Moscoviet" are never used in the whole chapter on "Muscovy", except for the phrase "Moscovisch Rusland" and when the author claims "The authority of the Romanov dynasty was Russian from the start, and not Muscovite". The adjective used is "Russisch", the inhabitants of this entity are called "Russen". And here and there the word "Rusland" does creep in. It almost looks as if Western historians switched back to "Muscovy" sometime in the 20th century (perhaps the 1917 revolution or/and the re-birth of Poland did it?), but felt that the corresponding adjective "Muscovite" had become too old-fashioned to still be used. But as I say, they are switching back again. From the West European view point, a strong argument could be made that the state that conquered Kazan in 1552 only changed significantly in 1772. But how to call the state during that 1552-1772 period?--
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Russian monarchs on Knowledge (XXG) to be given in their English variants, with certain exceptions based on common usage of certain names (Ivan would not become John) and if the subject happens to be better known by another name (i.e. Dmitri Donskoi rather than Demetrius IV). My proposal involves westernizing the names of any Russian monarchs that require such action starting with the Grand Princes of Vladimir. Specifically, the names would change as follows: Andrei - Andrew, Dmitri - Demetrius, Feodor - Theodore, Konstantin - Constantine, Mikhail - Michael, Vasili - Basil, Yuri - George, etc. Should the community accept this proposal, it would then be in order to debate whether members of royal families should receive the same treatment (i.e. Prince Mikhail Skopin-Shuisky). In addition we should make any names that remain in their Russian variants the same, as I have seen (for example) Dmitri, Dmitriy, and Dmitry used for different people and even in the same article referring to the same person. Arguably this needs to be fixed.
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in East Prussia) but they were evicted again by the Poles. Only in Stettin did they stay on a bit longer - the Russian army stayed in charge of the harbour for some time and gave the harbour personnel temporary exemption from eviction (there is an argument about how long that lasted). You use the passive voice, which is perhaps a nice NPOV solution since the Poles had no choice really. However, that passage is then followed by a sentence about the whole of Eastern Europe: 1) the Germans did not get evicted, and did not run away, everywhere in Eastern Europe. They stayed on in Romania for instance, until Ceaucescu literally sold them to the German Federal republic. 2) the way it is written is like there was a direct link between Yalta and other evictions of German populations, outside Poland and/or East Prussia. Not really: everybody, even Churchill, expected those Germans to run away and never come back. --
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the article in the process of its overhaul to fend off the attempts to interfere with the normalization and such attempts would be plenty since the topic raise many emotions. Small help from others aside, this would be an enormous task. I know of only one user who could do it but I would not want to loose him from other articles that such committment would require. Personally, I am not able to help much with this now. So, I see no easy solution. If you want to be in charge of such overhaul, your service would be worth a huge gratitude from everyone at this board. Actually, being a great specialist in the war would not be required from the start. Just some level would be needed that would allow to have some sort of a picture of the direction in which the article should be reformed. Whoever and whenever does this will be a real hero. --
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really doubt it had anything to do with neither recognition of his Ukrainian past or russification of a Ukrainian name (as it was Russian, anyway). Ukrainian spelling of Brezhnev's surname (Брежнєв) is a virtual phonetic equivalent of its (changed) Russian spelling. In fact, elimination of ё made it more suitable for Ukrainians: there's no close corresponding sound in Ukrainian, and native speakers of that language sometimes have problems pronouncing it (I've been once told by a former professor of the Historical faculty of the Odessa University, Vasily Halias, how, back in 1930's, his Russian schoolteacher tried to make him to recite Lermontov correctly: "... Вскормленный в неволе орьол молодой ..."—"It is not орьол, Vasiliy, it is орёл!").
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expanded to a half of the Europe. Also, I would think, the "result" was fixation of the European borders for the decades to come as well as the preservation of the statehood (and often expansion) of the countries initially conquered by Germany. Instead the "results" section gives you a bunch of loosely connected info about victims and horrors of the war (all true but strangely pasted there) as well a lengthy discussion about the Soviet soldiers brutalizing Europe. Is this a "result" of the war for the eponymous section at the top of the article? And there is plenty of other stuff. Sorry, but someone has to take a huge undertaking to fix this whole mess with that article. This would be a multi-month project. --
2329:"When the Red Army invaded Germany from 1944, many German civilians suffered from vengeance taken by Red Army soldiers. After the war, following the Yalta conference agreements between the Allies, the German populations of East Prussia and Silesia were displaced to the west of the Oder-Neisse Line, in what became one of the largest forced migrations of people in world history. The German minority scattered over large swaths of Eastern Europe was thus expelled and those who did not manage to leave were exterminated." 1944, that date is wrong. It refers of course to 2115:. He's got lot of friends of divers plumage who are just ready round the corner. I am sorry, but in my view, there is not a snowy chance in hell you are going to get the article on Dutch Knowledge (XXG) deleted. It has become a political issue and that is always "interesting" for the neutrals, who will then vote not to delete. Re-naming the whole thing to "Siberian project" or "Siberian question" stands a better chance. Are we still writing articles? This thing had me take an account on Russian wikipedia! -- 312:(besides, obviously, making them look prettier). What's important is the information about the company (and I see you are making splendid progress in that regards), not a pretty picture. If a reader wants to see the logo, s/he can visit that company's website. If you want to add a picture for aesthetical purposes, a (GFDL/public domain) picture of the company's headquarters/factory/plant/etc. is bound to be a lot more informative than a logo. Hey, it can even be a picture of the headquarters 2218:
Zolotoryov managed to paint of himself. Instead of any replies to our questions on the credibility and professionalism of his research (or even discussing those) he spent the last two weeks trying to convince us that it is ok to call us Moscals. What he does not get, is that he has really become the chauvinist, flashmobber that he accuses others of being, and who he really is in practice (Samir74). Now look at the people who are placing their votes. META WIKI ADMIN like
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who view a be-wiki as a machine to push their fringe version of Belarusian language that other editors moved towards creation of a second Belarusian Knowledge (XXG) based on the normative grammar and vocabulary, which millions of Belarusians learned at school. I am not sure whether they succeeded in convinsing the foundation to open a WIkipedia in normative Belarusian but situation seemed ubearable last time I checked. --
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that: "River Don" England gets 47,000 googles, "River Don" Scotland gets 33,000 - "River Don" Russia 36,000 and "River Don" Canada 29,000. Of course, some of the Russia and Canada pages may actually mention the English or Scottish river as well, and keep the "Don River" version for the Russian or Canadian one. In any case, I do not think there is much to say against at least redirecting
2366:] The controversy: statistical evidence for the area that was German in 1937 means 2 million people are missing. Some people have refined that to about 1.3 million. However, the TEXT of the article also mentions my 500,000 as a maximum (there is no rationale there, however) Note that none of these three figures (like my figures above) include soldiers from the area killed in the war.-- 1901: 2227:
Also it is important that we do everything possible to make those people that have opposed the closure change their votes, all we need is to convince 10 people and we have the 2/3 majority, but even if we get only two or three to go along then that already cuts down the amount of votes required by a great deal. It ain't over yet, but we certainly have momentum, lets not lose it. --
831:, it is available online in full. Now, in my non-expert opinion, EB used names Vasily and Fyodor are closer to the currently used ones Vasili and Feodor. Personally, I don't mind either names as long as they match mainstream use. IMO, one can't be more mainstream than EB. EB may make mistakes but it is certainly as mainstream as one can possibly be. -- 638:
here, not ordinary people. Why do we call the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V that rather than Karl or Carlos, and why are the German emperors called William rather than Wilhelm? Lastly, why should Russian monarchs be treated any differently? Their contemporaries in Europe certainly called them by translated names, not Russian ones.
1001:. РКП, please discuss vital changes before implementing them. There should be no instructions creep in WP. The article about the largest country in the world cannot be measured by the same standards as your average Pockemon article. Just look at the Britannica, how varied is the size of its articles. Or check the length of 2022:? What if we put a message on all Hamlet talk pages - mentioning the obscenity and pointing out the vote on Meta? Well, if the deletion of the link is treated as vandalism, we are allowed to explain it on the talk page, are we not? That would not infringe on WP:POINT, would it? Just thinking aloud, of course.-- 2354:
You are right about the structural problem. But as the Americans would say: where is the beef? In the case of East Prussia, the numbers of casualties. I doubt very much that the book I was thinking about mentions figures. I myself have heard figures as low (because they are bound to include suicides,
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et al. But that was propaganda by Goebbels. The atrocities in East Prussia happened early 1945. Even then a lot of it was civilians killed in crossfire, but that there were many atrocities cannot be denied. Displacement of German populations: in Silesia, many refugees actually came back (not so many
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think were the results of this war? When asked, I would have said that the main result was the disappearance of Germany left at mersy of the victors from the map of Europe and from being an influential power for a long time and the USSR becoming a world power for some years to come with its influence
2014:
I suppose the argument is you should not stop the bots, because they also put Russian links on the other interwikis, including the "Siberian" sandbox. We will see how long it will take before THEY run a bot to take those away. In any case, I think we are allowed to take away these links to the Hamlet
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That's not the point. Names of monarchs are always anglicized, just look at the ones that came after Peter I: Catherine, not Yekaterina, Elizabeth, not Yelizaveta, Paul, not Pavel, Nicholas, not Nikolay. Why should the others be treated any differently? Remember, we're talking strictyl about monarchs
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invaded Russia, and while we all realize that's not what happened (or what the title refers to), we do have to be careful about personalizing history to an exorbitant degree. As Napoleon was ultimately representing the French Empire, it makes more sense to think of this as a French invasion. Although
2383:]. Some of what I wrote about Normandie-Niemen (part of which I later deleted) may be interesting. Not merely the French involvement, but also that there was actually an air base in Soviet possession. Most Eastern front maps I have seen pretend that the border was the exact front line that winter. -- 2314:
The only way I know that will bring such article into order is a single knowledgeble user, or 2-3 of such, committed to the topic take it upon him/themselves to do a complete overhaul. This article is in such a pity state that no less effort would help. The user or a small team would need to babysit
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In the meantime, a Spanish bot has been adding links to all their year articles and of course to Hamlet too. The Poles are also hard at it. And some nut at French wiki put back the link at Hamlet. I explained something on the talk page there. Perhaps someone who knows better French than I can have a
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Much more alarming is the situation in the original Belarusian wikipedia which is ruled by a small group of promoters of the non-normative grammar version of Belarusian language. Editors who are interested in writing in standard Belarusian had to take so much abuse by a small cabal of be-wiki admins
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Styd i shram! I did not notice that the other Russian book and the German one should not be used as an argument because they deal with a longer period of Russian history (meaning we need to read an actual copy to find out) So the score for the 16th century is here 2 (Russia) against 1 (Muscovy). But
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has all its games online for free and it's very easy to get the idea from the sportscasters that Russian naming should be going forward here and not to worry about expanding the "Russification of Russian material". I played 10 years of New England ice hockey starting ~ 1971 and I remember how happy
2003:
I have special antivandal tool which listens to recentchanges IRC channel and removes interwiki links to ru-sib 2 seconds after someone appends it. I used it in ruwiki for some time but unfortunately some administrators found this unacceptable. Anyway, if we'll decide to remove all this interwiki-s
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Zolotaryov's takeover of Wikispace and using it as a propaganda machine has overpushed all boundaries. As long as he continues to feel that he can get away with anything, this will continue to escalate. If this in En-wiki it would spell a full arbitration case. However this circuis is going through
1480:
Well, the point is that for many centuries West Europeans have been looking at Russia through the eyes of the Poles. But the use of the term "Muscovy" for the period after the accession of Ivan IV or after the conquest of Kazan (often quoted in West European books as the birth day of Russia and the
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I agree, let's stick to the names used in English encyclopedias. Usually these names, if they are anglicized, have only been so the point that they are still recognizable to Russians. I had a look at Dutch encyclopedia and found only one divergence which Russian speakers may find strange. "Dimitri"
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Er ... I think that guy actually believes Don River should be redirected to Don River (Russia) - which is more or less what I proposed. However, there is someone on the same talk page who seems to think that only the British ones are called "River Don". I doubt very much that it is as clear cut as
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Our job now is to being actively lobbying everybody that falls outside our circle, I know I will make sure all my Metro colleagues are informed of this, Ghirla you got freinds in architecture and history, there are other people, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Jews (how do they like being called Zhids?).
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You can upload them via the "Upload file" link in the Toolbox menu on the left side. You can then link to the image you uploaded from the articles in the English Knowledge (XXG). If you choose to go that route, please make sure you provide explanations on the image description page why you think
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What about the Dutch Knowledge (XXG) solution, re-directing Don River and River Don to Don River (Russia) and having all disambiguation at Don (disambiguation)? That way, the title of the other three rivers is at least suggested by the title of the article on the Russian Don river. I do not think
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I recently attempted to change the names of Russian monarchs named Vasili and Feodor to Basil and Theodore respectively, but apparently this violated some rule and created a huge pain for whoever was forced to revert my work. Therefore, I propose an official policy that would require the names of
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In short, I feel that this article is on the verge of exploding into an edit war, if it hasn't already. I removed the casualty numbers from the infobox until this issue is settled, and I need some urgent help - this is one of the most important articles on wikipedia and certainly in the Russian
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We are having some major conflicts about casualty statistics - this is because there are so many "reliable" sources for them, but many of them disagree on the number of Soviet casualties by many millions. Some help is really needed in finding a solution - perhaps giving a "range" of numbers. I
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Not unless we can prove to them that Zolotaryov created this language and that he is using LJ and other recruits to keep it alive, do make a more frequent appearance on Meta, I think their overreaction and our perfect timing made them come out with full colours, now all we need is just to have a
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several wikis. I propose that we take this straight to Jim Wales by first of all writing a petition of complaint, and explaining to him that this is not someone on Chechen wiki trying to put a slant on the articles, this is someone that is actually using a BS cover for a clear Podlyanka to us. --
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Well, this article at the Biocrawler states that Dear Comrade Brezhnev was ethnic Russian. Endings -ov/-ev (-yov) are usual for Russian or Russified surnames (as in Russified Ukrainian: Harbuz→Arbuz(nik)ov; Khrushch→Khrushch(y)ov). I don't know reasoning behind the name change in question, but I
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I don't think you can upload company logos to Commons, because any copyrighted logos can only be used under the fair use provision. You could upload them here, and mark them as fair use, I suppose, but the thing is that I am not really sure whether those logos would add anything to the articles
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are supporting the closure. And look at the people opposing, half are the same xenophobes that Zolotoryov is himself. However a good ten of those are actually, in a way, outside the brakets, who voted EXCLUSSIVELY out of the Good Faith principle simply because they fell into Zolotoryov's trap.
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What needs done is bot runners should be alerted to modify their bots' scripts to exclude Zolotapedia as the discussion to close it is ongloing until this smut project is either closed or brought to order as nothing more than an obscure language Knowledge (XXG) rather than propaganda machine of
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People, remember when Yaroslav Zolotaryov, with aid of Ukrainian Svidomy people that they recruited from Livejournal and Maidan (to give illusion of a much larger community than exists), created the so-called Siberian language wiki (a language that remains unrecognised to this day), look at the
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Hi, I got some energy and wrote these articles over the last few days. I'm a pretty good Wikipedian, but I don't have much luck with putting the company logos into the Knowledge (XXG) Commons. I don't know the rules of GNU as pertains to Russia, either. So, I won't be adding the logos to the
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Names of the countries, languages etc., of the period, are quite complex issue, indeed. And the point being raised is, I believe, that using the "Muscovy" term, if referring to the post-16th cent. entity, is incorrect. Quite as the co-example of using the "Poland" term for the post-16th cent.
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Gentlemen, ladies, I offer you to have a look right now at the present state of the deletion proposal. Right now there is a 66:46 advantage wrt to us. Now the rules say we need 2/3 of the vote, thus roughly 30 more, but better to push it over 100. However, just read what kind of an image has
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Nearly all national w'edias I've seen or heard are in some kind of cabal. A notable exception is de: w'edia. I guess it is because of limited authorsip. IMO just as we don't care what is written in Turkish school textbooks, we should not be bothered much what is written in uk: or tr: or even
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Apparently the 1911 Britannica referred to those grand princes/tsars as Basil and Theodore. I personally find those versions more attractive, and without the transliteration confusions typical of Russian names. Vasili, Vasily, Vasiliy, Vassili, Vassily, Vasilij, Wasilij, Vasil, Wasil are all
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To be neutral, we must mention civilian casualties on both sides - Soviet AND German (if this is not done, there are editors who will remove the Soviet civilian casualty numbers and accuse us of bias). German civilian casualties are a taboo topic in Russia, I realize... but we must try.
563:, of course. But I think he's oficially called Theodoor? I believe in Belgium (and you want the name to be acceptable there as well, I hope), "Theodoor van Rusland" would sound at least as odd as "Diederik van Rusland". "Theo van Rusland" suffers from the fact that it is historically a 195:, the new position of the Cyrillic world as Europe's lifeline, etc. And, the concept of "pipelineistan" is now an important concept in oil and gas. I searched this word on Knowledge (XXG), and I don't think there was a search result. It sounds like it could be an article. -- 720:
In what I agree with Kazak is that names of modern notable Russians are irrelevant. The articles should be called by such versions of the rulers' names that are most frequently used in English historic literature. I can check what names are used by Britannica and report back.
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The names of ordinary Russians have no effect on how monarchs are named, regardless of their "success". Neither does the name of Miroslav Šatan, who is a Slovak and whose name cannot be anglicized anyway. It's fairly irrelevant and I don't think we need to come back to it.
695:'s success, using Paul instead of Pavel would seem very strange and wrong. All these names are household words in any sports family and hockey family. Pavel is a perfect example of a permanent forward progress. It just might be that anglicization should be phased out! -- 514:, other people would restore the more familiar name sooner or later. I checked Britannica and Google Books; both sources prefer "Vasily III" to "Basil III" and "Fyodor" to "Theodore". We need serious arguments that anglicized names are more current in academic discourse. -- 1485:
by the way. It quotes as its sources 2 Russian, 1 German, 1 Swedish and 1 French history book mentioning the country's name under Ivan IV. The only one mentioning "Moscovy" is ... Russian! (E. Tikhomirov, "The first Tsar of Moscovy, Ivan IV." (Rus.) - Moscow, 1888).
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for "Dmitry". Vasily is Vasil, Fyodor is Fjodor. I did not even have an idea what the Dutch version of Fyodor might be, until I found that the Dutch versions of Theodore are Theodoor (obsolete), Diederik and (modern) Dirk. "Diederik van Rusland"??? I have just edited
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I think we should base the names on the prevailing usage in English language historic literature. For some monarchs the literature prevailingly uses the anglicised versions (Peter), for some it uses the transliterated Russian name. You said youself that Ivan -:
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I suppose I can put this here: Mayakovskoye is up again. I am starting to sound and feel like a broken record, always repeating the same thing. Do they think now, with this Siberian thing, and the Halibutt affair, Russian (and Polish) editors will be too busy
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This is not the first instance of a passionate bearer and spreader of fringe views taking over a small Knowledge (XXG). For this one, I would not worry too much. Even if articles get linked to this, so what? No one would bother reading in Chaledonian.
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So you think that we should base the names off of the lowest common denominator, not enforce uniformity? That seems sort of sloppy to me. It's the same reason we have Vasiliys, Vasilis, and Vasilys all over the place and even in the same articles.
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There are serious POV issues with the page. It is edited primarily by anons or disgruntled foreigners, who add all sorts of unsubstantiated and unsourced allegations bespattering the project. Could anybody add the article to his watchlist?
472:; I watch a lot of sports and there's no questioning how famous that name is in mainstream America. There are now a lot of ice hockey names that are now "Americanized" as well, that may not also be the names of Russian monarchs; 330:
I think it makes the company look good, and people will be likely to continue reading about the company. I would have added all of them myself for that reason; it's just that I really haven't been able to figure out how to do
492:. The same goes for names of female gymnastics stars. I wasn't raised in an Eastern European tradition; it is something I came to later in life, so I have some perspective. And like I said, I haven't read the guidelines. -- 1443:
The lead of Muscovy notes that this term is applicable for period 'from the 14th century to the late 17th century'. I'd agree that usage in 18th century is erroneus. But IIRC there were voices that it should not be used in
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But of course! But the main problem that this issue is in the top of the article devoted to the entire war (!) under the results section (!!) where no actual results are presented (!!!). This whole article is a big mess.
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The subject is clearly important, but it would generate more discussion in Russian Knowledge (XXG). I don't think a handful of Russia-interested contributors in English Knowledge (XXG) can do anything about it. Here's
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I looked closer again and decided to globally revert him after all while it is easy to do so (no one other edited over him yet). He simply cut and dropped huge chunks into other pages regardless flow of logic.
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I was bullied out of the page. It is tended by three Georgian editors who do no other editing, except reverting any attempts to neutralize the page (or even to put a tag alerting about the dispute, for that matter).
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would call it serfdom matters little. The question is whether serfdom is a widely agreed among the scholars term to apply to condition of the Soviet kolkhozniki. If it is so, the section would have belonged to the
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end of Muscovy) is indeed declining in modern history books in the West. Judging on what I can read in Dutch, English and French, of course. Actually, this view is not so brand new as some people suggest. Look at
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Seeing the word pipeline, I am thinking about Alexander's Oil and Gas online, and the excellent multinational coverage of every part of the world, with of course recently very many articles on Russia, Kazakhstan,
941:+ in russian traditions monarchs are called in church-slavonic language. in russian Fyodor (ru:Фёдор) (in european Theodore), in church-slavonic Feodor (ru:Феодор); Ivan (ru:Иван) - (en:John) - Ioann (ru:Иоанн)-- 1807:
We have wikis on the language of Klingonians, Elfs and Orcs, why not have a wiki on the language of Zolotaryov, so far he does not state that this is a real language on one of a real-language wiki - who cares?
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the image qualifies as fair use and what its source is. Don't worry too much—if you make a mistake or the information you provide is insufficient, a friendly image police bot will let you know right away :)—
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Should the community accept my proposal, it would then be in order to debate whether new cuttings should receive the same treatment (i.e. Ancient Russia, Borders of Russia etc). This needs to be fixed soon.
1552:, PLC, etc. In those cases saying 'Russia' or 'Poland' is a big simplification, which I see as completly unncessary given that we have good articles on the historical entities in that era (other exaples: 1919: 1366:
article. Otherwise, it does not and the condition imposed by the Soviet state on a significant part of its citizens who worked the land, while certainly deserving a WP coverage, should be discussed in
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Yes, I am sorry to sound dumb; its just that I have never heard any anglicization whatsoever on any hockey game or sports show. But there are other considerations, I really can't contribute here. --
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Are we allowed to do that? I have deleted the French and German one anonymously, quoting the obscenity as a reason. I wonder what to do when this sort of thing gets bot'ed. Now for some "good" news:
823:, "born May 30 , 1661, Moscow, Russia died April 27 , 1682, Moscow, in full Fyodor Alekseyevich tsar of Russia (reigned 1676–82) who fostered the development of Western culture in Russia..." 1540:
to anything pre-1990; especially in the leads. Why? Because they direct the user to the page of a mondern country, where often they should direct the user to a page of a historical country -
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Olympics it was real nice for America; but it didn't have anything to do with hockey. Hockey now has 4 real friends in Sweden, Finland, Czech and Russia. It is an integrated environment. --
813:, "original name Vasily Ivanovich, Knyaz (Prince) Shuysky, or Shuisky born 1552 died Sept. 12, 1612, Gostynin, near Warsaw, boyar who became tsar (1606–10) during Russia's Time of Troubles." 1434:
Some prefer to use the term all the way to the times of Peter and even Catherine. This is improper usage that also has a political flavor. The latter issue has been discussed at length. --
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It is Бахарев (with the stress on the first sillable). The story with Брежнёв is feasible but if true it should be easy to find in reliable sources and it does not seems to be the case.
1124:*Unofficial estimations amount the annual monetary transfers of Georgian foreign workers to Georgia to a total of 2 billion dollars, exceeding the annual US help of 1.5 billion dollars. 2473: 2520:) As for the other uses of "Don", I found it funny to believe that people would actually look up "Don Camillo" under "Don", but why bother, if we put the rivers first, that is OK. -- 2355:
killed in crossfire and those who later died because of malnutrition) as 100,000 dead mentioned, but also 500,000. Did Solzhenitsyn mention numbers? He was good at extrapolation. --
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Not too much there, except it is suggested to take the most important one without disambiguation and Americans or Australians do not seem to like commas in the disambiguation. --
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As I have no time to sort it out by proposing requested moves in each case, I urge the community to discuss and to propose requested moves if my reasons are found compelling. --
793:, "born May 31, 1557, Moscow, Russia died Jan. 7 , 1598, Moscow, in full Fyodor Ivanovich tsar of Russia (1584–98) whose death ended the rule of the Rurik dynasty in Russia." 2681: 1340:
for the first time during the Passport Reform of the late 60's–early 70's? Prior to that they were "slaves of the land" indeed, as their chances to get out were very limited.--
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I am not questioning notablity. I even expanded the article myself. The problem with dead russian companies is that it is next to possible to find reliable info about them. `'
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John "anglicization" would be an overkill. The question is where is the fine line between proper anglicization and such an overkill. I say the line is defined by the usage in
803:: "born 1589 died June 10 , 1605, Moscow, Russia, in full Fyodor Borisovich Godunov tsar who ruled Russia briefly (April–June 1605) during the Time of Troubles (1598–1613). 2401:
Hello i have an uncle who either died their or is missing his name is Karl Birkenfelder as in the 6th army how would find anything out about him thank you for your help Karl
972:. I am about to revert all his edits, but what is your opinion? He drew my suspicions when he deleted a historical photo with comment: "these peasants are not nice here". `' 1667:
It appears that in 1956 then he was elected Candidate to the Presidium of the Central Committee of CPSU they proposed to change his last name to a less-Ukrainian sounding.
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is a stupid name, longish to type, considering that our river cannot compare in geographical, historical or cultural importance with its namesakes. Should be moved to
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While reverting interwikiRuSib, I noticed that at least 10 interwikie bots run here (and may be more), so I guess I cannot overdo them manually. Who can write bots? `'
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now mentions that he learns Esperanto, so perhaps he created that bot for Esperanto and wanted to see what happened when he added it to three other interwikis? --
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The article is almost exclusively referring to the "western" side as the Polish, too. It mentions Commonwealth once at the beginning, and this is pretty much it.
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This is actually irrelevant to the present discussion. I pointed out that "Theodosia" is not an appropriate transliteration, see the talk page of that article. --
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I am no expert but just as a suggestion, please name a couple of articles that would be renamed below. Not a comprehensive list, just some examples. Thanks, --
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And in Russian Knowledge (XXG) as well now: 117 put the ref to ru-sib in the Ingria article back. Sorry guys, but if you cannot keep order in your own house:
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Well, was Brezhnev indeed spelled Брежнёв during WWII? If so, was that in recognition of the his Ukrainian past? In Ukrainian, his name is spelled with an
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though pronounced correctly in educated speech, its absence in writing has led to confusion in the transliteration of certain Russian names (for example,
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corporate boxes on all these new pages, and they really need them. I hope someone can find the time to get this done, it makes the page look 100% better.
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more than half of the Grand Army at this point was non-French, they were still fighting for France. All thoughts and opinions are welcome! Thank you.
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It has been my experience that there is significant opposition to the usage of this word. I'd appreciate the explanation as to why this may be.--
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possibilities for Basil, Fyodor, Feodor, Fiodor, Fjodor, Fedor, Fëdor, Fodor - for Theodore. To anglicize them would simplify things greatly.
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AFAIU, it's "Controversy" section only filled with POVs. But, on the other hand, what the "Controversy" is for then? Did I miss something? --
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I don't claim to be an expert, but as I promised, here is the report on the names used by Britannica for the people listed above by Kazak:
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around Kiev, each of them may be called an expedition. It took no discussion for Halibutt to move the article from its original title
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Our portal looks ghastly. Some sections have not been updated for more than a year. Could someone update it more regularly? Thanks,
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to update all the wikilinks, so everyone can see how it is done in most other languages. I agree that Fyodor would be preferable. --
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has been summarily reverted, however. I advise to revert these undiscussed moves and to retrieve the original title of the article.
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many people will type in Don River (Britain) but of course, that one should be re-directed to the Scottish one, obviously. ;: -->
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and how Zolotaryov glory will grow and spread. Well, apparently his persistence deserves glory, I suppose. Time to learn words
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Could someone take a look at the latest edits there. In addition to being ill-formed, they seem to be severely POV. Thanks. ←
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I don't think there would be a problem with Ivan (John), though. But why, for example, is the city of Феодосія called
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simply can't understand why the casualty numbers are so different in different sources, so we really need an expert.
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is also a well-known name; probably even more so than "Demetrius". Fodor's is a famous travel guidebook series so
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I restarted the discussion about Theodosia vs Feodosiya on the grounds that GoogleEarth lists it as Feodosiya.
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and here is several articles around other wikies (and on en as well) about this slang that should be deleted.
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obscenity. Only problem is there are other bots which treat that sort of thing if done by an IP as vandalism.
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and a few even less reliable references. The Urban Legend seems to exist but if it is a fact, I do not know.
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for that same historic reason. But, of course, with people around called Fjodor Buis, Fjodor Poort and even
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Please see the talk page of this article - read the two topics, "Casualty numbers" and the one below it.
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But I think we should move the Feodor articles to Fyodor (also well known in English, e.g. Dostoevsky).
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was frivolously moved to the current title. The problem is that there has never been such an entity as
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I don't know about you, but I will be removing this interwikimockery from articles in my watch list. `'
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in ru.wiki. I shall try to attract the attention of Russian wikipedians to Zolotaryov's паясничанье. --
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starting October 1st. It looks like he does not know what he's doing. Eg., see what he inserted into
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I hope that we can reference the facts and put the important background information to the article. --
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And now they are so confident, that they have started to intimidate those who take away the links:
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neutral admin see the whole picture... if we can then the whole ru-sib will be gone in no time. --
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esperanto w'edias. A truly international en: one has chances to have some balance eventually. `'
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and all later rulers were crowned as the sovereign of All Rus' not the Grand Princes of Moscow.
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I haven't read the Wiki Russian Names Anglicization guidelines, but I think that like Ivan,
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by acting politicians already brought Knowledge (XXG) in disrepute on several occasions. --
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Ezhiki, all the moves (actually, one) have been done before your comment was posted. Pan,
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Well, you seem to be right. Maybe just drop the section and ask for article protection? --
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is now understood in English, due to the fame of Mikhail Gorbachev. And, I think that
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I believe this list only goes till 1917 and there is another one for post-1917... --
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Oh yes he will. And watch how bots will populate other wikis with interwikilinks to
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I was advised by someone to bring up an issue here: is it acceptable if the article
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Well, this entire article is a huge mess. As an example, take a look at the sloppy
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Newly created page, almost empty. I placed it on PROD. Could someone take a look?
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Of course, nobody called it so, but how else would you call the fact that Soviet
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I believe that the existing naming convention is per the guidelines laid out in
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In the Netherlands, the name Theo (short for Theodorus) is still in common use.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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is spelt as Yudyonich (which would mean to transcribe "Юдёнич") in the famous
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Some requested moves are required to bring a couple of articles to normalcy:
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All-Russia Population Census, 197,934 Georgians have Russian citizenship.
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Deprodded, left a note with creator. Gosh - give it a few hours, will ya? -
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The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting
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is dead. May be the company is dead after the catastrophe of its gilder? `'
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Re-reading it, what he wrote could alo be interpreted to mean he wants "
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Voting is useless, as long as the process is hijacked by sockpuppets. --
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The Vasilis would become Basils and the Feodors would become Theodores.
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I have a few problems with the German victims passage at the beginning:
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also sounds familiar. And there is a great Olympic weighlifter named
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removed dispute over numbers. backed up numbers couldn't be disputed.
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is OK, because there were no other French invasions of the country. --
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I'll tap the Belarusians I know and see what impact we could make.
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Is it possible to nominate an article for such an improvement?
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Russian Institute of Documents and Historical Records Research
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at least. This section certainly requires some copyediting.--
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I don't think there is any merit in the proposal. If we move
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that Chechens descend from a mysterious nation mentioned by
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and there is nothing wrong with it or with linking to it. --
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Brezhnev example removed (2 other examples suffice anyway).
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By the way, there is a huge dispute over the outcome of
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stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a
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http://www.biocrawler.com/encyclopedia/Leonid_Brezhnev
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White Eagle, Red Star: The Polish-Soviet War, 1919-20
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in the English Knowledge (XXG), and why is Євпаторія
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anyway, I guess Zolotarkabal will prevail there.) `'
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Remove on sight until this is sorted out. 1034:What's wrong in having a reduced article? -- 1096:2006 Georgian-Russian espionage controversy 907:They have the same root - that's my point. 22:Russia-related Knowledge (XXG) notice board 355:Thanks, I think I got most of them done.-- 2033:Vote on Meta for closing Zolotaryovopedia 2680:. For accuracy sake, should be moved to 1532:My take in this is that we should avoid 2821: 2766:". A suspicious title, but there is no 2018:But: remember what someone else did on 1353:I would call it the restriction of the 160:Unsourced allegations of criminal abuse 2472:It looks like this was the outcome of 2213:Кислород Перекрыли, теперь надо душить 1584:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 1452:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 1397:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 1316:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 858:which WP articles should summarize. -- 48:Do not edit the contents of this page. 2446:was deleted and all entries (such as 2269:Portal. We can't let it fall apart. 659:article. It got me to thinking that 7: 1056:I have serious suspicions that this 2168:Old Church Slavinic Knowledge (XXG) 2857:2002 НАЦИОНАЛЬНЫЙ СОСТАВ НАСЕЛЕНИЯ 2533:and made necessary changes. Best, 668:. Of course when the US won the 278:Nizhniy Tagil Iron and Steel Works 60: 28: 18:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Russia 1879:link in English Knowledge (XXG). 1757:I would also like to notice that 2196:Сибирской site:en.wikipedia.org 2099: 2039:m:Proposals for closing projects 1797: 1368:Human rights in the Soviet Union 73:French invasion of Russia (1812) 33: 1963:Siberian/Nort Russian language 1607:Reforms of Russian orthography 1413:There is no opposition to the 1017:11:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC) -- 305:18:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC) 270:Chelyabinsk Tube Rolling Plant 200:19:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC) 180:13:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC) 171:10:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC) 154:10:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC) 144:08:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC) 111:. Every comment is welcome. -- 103:08:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC) 85:18:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC) 1: 2811:10:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC) 2791:21:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC) 2775:20:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC) 2749:18:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC) 2719:12:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC) 2653:19:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC) 2628:16:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC) 2619:16:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC) 2601:10:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC) 2572:10:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC) 2542:08:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC) 2525:22:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC) 2486:20:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC) 2467:10:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC) 2458:. Can anybody explain why? -- 2444:Category:Fortresses in Russia 2431:06:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC) 2388:01:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC) 2371:02:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC) 2360:01:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC) 2350:02:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC) 2339:02:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC) 2244:04:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC) 2232:04:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC) 2203:02:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC) 2190:01:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC) 2175:00:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC) 2148:00:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC) 946:08:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC) 218:Moscow City Telephone Network 69:Napoleon's invasion of Russia 62:Napoleon's invasion of Russia 2833:, Strana.Ru, October 5, 2006 2692:a number of military actions 2320:06:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC) 2307:05:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC) 2298:02:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC) 2274:01:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC) 2251:Eastern Front (World War II) 2138:09:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC) 2120:15:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 2105:21:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 2090:12:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 2077:12:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 2045:11:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC) 2027:01:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC) 2009:17:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 1998:16:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC) 1985:15:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC) 1974:12:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 1955:19:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 1941:16:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC) 1931:11:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC) 1918:The discussion continues on 1913:08:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC) 1895:04:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC) 1875:Privet. 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Napoleon's invasion of Russia
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French invasion of Russia
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Battle of Krasnoi
Ghirla

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North European Gas Pipeline
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Unsourced allegations of criminal abuse
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