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I always like to start with a positive – our featured articles and lists are among the best sports coverage anywhere on Knowledge (XXG). But in contrast to the 3,462 articles assessed at C-class or above, at the other end of the scale 130,811 articles are stub or start-class. Furthermore, a large
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