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1130:) also look good. Before this, I sometimes had the feeling that the verticle density of text in articles is sometimes quite low. I even have the feeling that increasing it where applicable is quite encyclopaedic. And technology will support this even better and better in the future as certainly the quality of display hardware will increase in the future. So we would be on the right track. On the other hand, I would put non-list content, especially whole sections in traditional style articles only with caution in sections. But I would not revert it if I see that and think it fits. Just Let the community decide per article. After all, it is a nice idea. ā€“ 1928:"defer to the most common usage"? The most common usage for personal names is for them to begin with a capital letter, even if certain individuals prefer to not do so. It seems then (for me at least) that going along with such nonstandard usage shows a certain lack of seriousness as well as a bit of "suck-uppery," because (again for me) the article writers have not shown a certain distance from blatant personal idiosyncrasies. For other cases, such as eBay, there seems to be a difficult situation, because eBay is a trademark, and therefore according to this very style manual should be capitalized in all instances. 811:
traditional units of time day, month, and year are not SI units, but they are used in the scientific literature, and a similar internationalizing principle applies, and the (highly western-centric) internationalizing principle is the Latin language, wherein the units in question are diem, mensem, and annum. We English speakers don't notice the abbreviations d and m as not-English, but a(nnnum) sticks out to us. Other languages suffer even greater mismatch between the international abbreviations and the local names, and use the abbreviations anyway. For example, the German wikipedia, in the entry
1208:). As mentioned before, it often depends on the resolution of the monitors or device & the default text size in the browser. When I design web pages w/ tables and columns, I always evaluate it with several different base font sizes larger and smaller than my own. I these equate it to "over-engineering": Going too far to optimize (the use of space) for your-own browser environment often has unintended consequences. Unless you can be sure that features like columns are benign for every viewer, I think it's safer to keep it simple. 348:
the word "god" is trickier for me, because it can be both a proper name (and therefore capitalizable) or just a noun (and therefore lowercase). I'd be inclined to not capitalize in the sentence "Is there a god?" but would capitalize in the ever-so-slightly different sentence "Does God exist?". The gender issue is interesting. English really needs a good neuter third person that's not "it" (and a good second person plural that's not "ya'll").
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to the title words. I see no reason to change a long-standing directive just because there are many articles that do not follow it. It is common to see non-proper nouns capitalized in sub-headings, too, should we abandon the attempt to have uniformity in sub-headings, or should we apply the directive? I do not think that this debate is over, and wonder if others agree with me. If not, I'll stand down.
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this logic should eBay be changed to EBay? And if so, when? at the beginning of a sentence? or always? Also what of personal preference, like people like (I think) k. d. lang? Should all references to this person be reworked to normal usage (i.e. K. D. Lang) or not? Or only at the beginning of a sentence?
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It is true that both these examples are very strange; I don't think you'd expect them to pop up in a manual of style, to be honest. If there is really such a war on beginning a sentence with eBay, find a way to reword the sentence so that a normal word starts it; in other cases eBay should be spelt
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used again early in the article. There is nothing in the Manual to say that these words have to be linked in the first sentence or even in the first paragraph. I think that as long as the words re-appear and are linked in the first two paragraphs, the reader has ample opportunity to follow the links
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Figures rarely need to be given to more than 3 significant figures ā€“ you are unlikely to need such precision, and measurements are seldom accurate enough to justify it. Common exceptions include money (where $ 24,495 is a perfectly acceptable figure) and numbers beginning with the figure 1: it would
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I'm a bit concerned about this. I agree that columns look better under ideal circumstances, but there are a couple of potential problems. As Shimmin notes, it makes the articles a bit harder to edit and maintainā€”a newbie might have trouble with the column code, even with the templates. The breaks
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was talking about not capitalizing personal pronouns that refer to the Christian god (i.e. He vs he), rather than not capitalizing the word "god" when it's being used as a proper noun to refer to a particular god (which would go against the English convention of always capitalizing proper nouns.) In
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But even if a majority of wikipedia readers DID prefer capitalizing pronouns that refer to the christian god, would that really be the deciding point? For me, such a capitalization is tantamount to proclaiming the christian god is the One True God, which is POV, regardless of what percentage of the
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Why has the directive against links in the title (in the opening sentence) been removed? That's been established style for a long time, and I haven't seen some great upwell of protest against it. Occasionally one needs to make an exception, but that's true of most of our rules. I'd like to see that
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Remember that Knowledge (XXG) is still an encyclopedia, and it should be printable - by that I mean it would look okay in print... it's hard to explain I guess... But anyway, I really think this should be discouraged. That said, I don't intend to propose that it be discouraged, unless someone else
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Wow-- such really good points. I completely agree, Eloil, about the capitalization of "He" is appropriate if quoting another writer who used that case. It's interesting to imagine what to do if quoting not a writer but a SPEAKER-- though I can't expect that one to come up. Whether to capitalize
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I think that the rules of respect of each religion should be obeyed whenever possible. In particular, the Christian rule of capitalizing words referring to God. I don't think that this conflicts with any Knowledge (XXG) principle such as the NPOV, and while I am a Christian myself, I wouldn't mind
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I may have been looking in all the wrong places, but there doesn't seem to any section of the style manual about the uses of capital letters for some of the more esoteric examples. For example, eBay. It states in the trademark section that REALTOR should be considered Realtor, and so, according to
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Drop trailing zeros in most cases, ie use 18.3m rather than 18.30m, and 23m rather than 23.0m ā€“ unless: ā€¢ you are differentiating between similar numbers, eg use ā€œthe trailer is 4.0m high, 200mm lower than the old 4.2m standardā€. Or: ā€¢ you have a group or table of figures with similar formats, eg
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First, a word about significant figures (sf) and decimal places (dp): the precision of a number is denoted by the number of significant figures it contains, not necessarily the number of decimal places. For example, a length measurement of 30.8mm (to 1 decimal place) can also be rendered as 3.08cm
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is a very common unit in the field of chemical industry, which is what the value of 2 Mt/a is about. For smaller amounts, such as production plant capacity also often kt/a or (worse) ktpa are very common abbreviations. You'll see the Mt/a use also in several other articles which include data about
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With all due respect, this doesn't make any sense to me. If I have a precise measurement, why should I round it? It would be short-sighted to impose such a restrictive and wide-ranging rule. Besides, what's so special about digit "1"? Is it not equally absurd to turn a measurement such as 2.004Ā m
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Scientific units can have different names in different languages, or even dialects of the same language, but the abbreviations are internationalized. Hence SI doesn't care that Americans call it a 'meter' and the British call it a 'metre', but does insist that everyone abbreviate it m. Now, the
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I strongly disagree with Jorge. We should write in a style that as many readers as possible will understand, follow and (if possible) like. This is not necessarily the style that experts or those familiar with a particular subject will use - we should put our readers first. We show respect to our
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In English "Y" is much more commonly used, as in Y2K, YTD, YYYY - and I am sure others could provide many other examples. Years are not SI units anyway and they do not have a definite length, so all usage of it has to be a rough approximation. Every time I see it - and I am quite scientifically,
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The relevant source literature always refers to Yahweh, and Allah as masculine; and except for a few very recent and deliberate projects, the same is also true of "God." The relevant source literature also always refers to Thor and Zeus as masculine. The urge to make the sex (or "gender" if you
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I guess my question here is more theoretical than practical. Very few people will die if from time to time a sentence does not begin with a capital letter or if certain symbols make their way into a context that generally precludes them. I guess my question is what exactly does on mean when one
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In the meantime, it is perfectly fair to revert any such changes because there is an unwritten convention columns are not used like that. So, if a guideline is to be made, it should reflect that (this convention is beyond doubt ā€” other proposals are debatable; with this, I've never before seen
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I don't really perceive this change in layout as earth-shaking. Long lists of short lines do look better in columns, and I've seen that approach taken in "List of..." articles before. It runs into troubles if the lists are liable to dramatic changes in length, and the column breaks need to be
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No explicit exceptions please. I believe it's six against one. 'Certain complex titles or verbose leads' is IMHO unclear and the other qualifications do not call for an exception. Links in the titles are downright ugly and do not add value. You have not convinced me that we need these specific
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wikilink adds value. Moreover, I'd prefer something that may or not be (to you) aesthetic to a larger, more problematic issue of having a tautology or redundancy through unnecessary repetition. I realise mine is not a majority position, but I reiterate the inappropriateness of including an
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I might have been the culprit of this; if so, I apologise. I think if this directive is to be restored, it should not be unequivocal and modified to account for exceptions: I've noticed numerous article leads that are so wikified ... and effectively. And these despite the inclusion of this
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upfront assertions in the manual regarding elasticity and "perfection." In summary: unequivocal, unenforceable guidelines (that are not Wp policy) despite reality will undoubtedly not lead to conformity in Wp style. As such, this may lead to the Manual of Style being treated with some (or
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Do you think that the various news organisations, being neutral at least in name, should avoid capitalising "God" so as to avoid any seeming bias in favour of Christianity? It is my contention that rules and guidelines generally followed by the news media are no less applicable to Knowledge
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The question was brought up as regards annual production of industrial chemicals. In the industrial news publications I'm familiar with, Mt/a is the usual abbreviation, or it is spelled out "million metric tons annually." As long as there is an explanatory note with the first use of the
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like so (I believe that is its most common usage). With names, if most people capitalise the name in question then do so too, regardless of the preferences of the individual him/herself. Remember that the manual is not intended to be concrete; exceptions will arise from time to time.
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I would suggest that, for example, "50 metres" should be expressed as "50m" rather than "50 m". If using an abbreviated unit, it almost always looks better to close up the number and unit (note that bar - the unit of pressure - is not an abbreviation, and thus should not be closed up).
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prefer) of the God of the monotheistic revealed religions ambiguous is a product of very recent and temporary Western enthusiasms. God, Allah, Yahweh, and the like should remain masculine; to alter the sex of this or these deities is historically inaccurate revisionism.
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unequivocal statement in such a document that (despite its existence) flies in the face of what some Wikipedians practice (i.e., not me alone) and does not allow for potential rare exception. And perhaps other qualifications require exceptions too?
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I believe an appropriate guiding principle (though you may well not find it written anywhere, and other editors may disagree) is to defer to the most common usage when in doubt. The reason articles can't start with lowercase letters (e.g.
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So how do you propose, at the same time, to accommodate the rule in Judaism that would be violated by writing out the name of the deity in the way you just wrote it? (A practicing Jew in such a context would use a locution like "G-d"." --
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allowing for uniformity and exceptions (i.e., used for articles that require it, particularly for terms/leads that are complex). Ditto (or should be) for caps in sub-headings. The introduction of the guide article is summative:
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Tables should be used to mark up truly tabular information ("data tables"). Content developers should avoid using them to lay out pages ("layout tables"). Tables for any use also present special problems to users of screen
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are meant for the average case, and must be applied with a certain degree of elasticity. . . . Writers are not required to follow all or any of these rules: the joy of wiki editing is that perfection is not
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No, I don't think this is a good idea. Presentation and content should be as separate as possible, and while this may look good on high resolution screens it looks horrible at lower resolutions (like on
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Generally, use the fewest possible digits and the fewest possible decimal places: 85.3m is preferable to 85,300mm or 0.0853km. You may want to break this rule to keep all the figures in the same units.
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sections. There is nothing really new about that, and it makes sense it many circumstances, as with dot points. The "col tags" created by Zondor make doing such easier. Perhaps we should recommend
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for all organizms, not limited to bacteria. I have not payed particular attention, or noticed this is not being done in Knowledge (XXG), but the MoS states it is specific to bacteria. Comments?
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is considered by many to be a deity, but as a historical figure his gender is not seriously disputed (to my limited knowledge, anyway.) The idea of removing gendered pronouns from the articles on
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Thank you! I would only recommend replacing 'verbose titles' (in the current version) with 'certain complex titles or verbose leads', or similar; if there are no objections ... thanks again!
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abbreviation (as there is in this case), Mt/a seems to fall into the category of units used for "historical or pragmatic reasons..." they are the standard unit in which the quantity is cited.
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Do not use tables for layout unless the table makes sense when linearized. Otherwise, if the table does not make sense, provide an alternative equivalent (which may be a linearized version).
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Didn't think of this when I made my earlier comment, but what I said only applies to the article text, not quotes. I think changing "He" to "he" in a quote would also add inappropriate POV.
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I reiterate my opposition to the proposed change. The need for an explicit exception isn't apparent, and would lead to confusion. Style guidelines should be clear and easy to maintain. -
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Linked to this, but not really, is the use of logograms, like the symbol that Prince used to go by, or the plus signs in C++. Since the +'s are just a symbol standing in for the word
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Noted. An absolute directive means nothing if it is not adhered to, and the wikifying of words/terms in titles is not at all rare. And the current directive remains clear while
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I could hack out some simple CSS styles to do it in specific circumstances if people want the option, but I'd really rather not have the layout forced on me by the use of tables.
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exceptions, and why the generic "apply elasticity" rule does not suffice. A section well written would bring up any newly introduced concepts, and the editor should link there.
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I'd tend to agree with that as well in the cases you mentioned (God/Allah/Jehovah), but it opens up some questions as far as extending the idea to other deities. For example,
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to obey similar rules of other religions. Therefore, I propose this to be changed regarding the "Religions, deities, philosophies, doctrines and their adherents" policy.
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I'd be perfectly glad to see the original rule restored without qualification; my rewording was intended to meet Anthony halfway. Whichever works for other people, but
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The otherā€“potentially more seriousā€“problem is for editors and readers working at lower resolution or in non-maximized windows. The columns (particularly under
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the case of pronouns referring to one particular god or another, I agree that capitalization smacks of POV (unless the pronoun begins the sentence, obviously.)
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Round up rather than down ā€“ ie 2.904m becomes 2.90m, while 2.905m becomes 2.91m (and in this case, beware of turning 2.904m into 2.9m ā€“ see the next point).
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It says it doesn't matter whether you use single or double spaces in the markup, which is fine. Ā But using   to "enforce" double spaces in the
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Thanks; I think the current qualification is fine while still being clear (and as above). In any event, my apologies for initiating a 'powderkeg'.Ā :)
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I would welcome ISO, NIST, BIPM or other respectable references on this. The article 'Acetic acid' quoted 'Mt/a'. I changed it to 'Mt/year' but it was
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Excuse me? There's no need for your sarcasm. This unofficial guideline doesn't address morality or legality, and your comment flies in the face of
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explicit? An opposing viewpoint can be that the original stipulation didn't make sense and that need for exceptions is apparent. Judiciously used,
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support and concur with attempts to derive Wp standards around these concepts; however, everything must be assessed in context. If one figure is
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Ah yes. In that case (pronouns only), I agree fully. I might make the further argument that referring to the gender of God/Allah/Jehovah/etc. is
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since it would be in sync with abbreviations used elsewhere. It seems odd to abbreviate only one term but not another. That's it for me!Ā :)
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has the expression "1 d = 24 h = 1440 min = 86400 s". In local terms, that would mean "1 Tag = 24 Stunden = 1440 Minuten = 86400 Sekunden"
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Looks like another problem that the template proposal for automatically rendering the various flavours of English (see above) could solve.
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I didn't want to propose anything until I had an idea of what the community's feeling was on this. There's been no discussion until now.--
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Also note that spaces are commonly used (particularly by scientists) when separating thousands in lieu of commas ... but I'm easy.Ā :)
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I think it is generally a bad idea, particularly when there are list items in the columns that're forced onto 2 or 3 lines (such as on
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subjects by reporting factual information in (as far as possible) an unbiased way, not by changing our language to accommodate them,
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I like it and think that it should be left to editors judgement and community consensus per article. I've applied it for example in
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I do not see the need for that equivocation. It is a rare circumstance where the words in the title that are to be linked are
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sections can save some space, but what was on the John Howard page - sections side by side - disturbs the entire layout.
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No need to apologize for stimulating discussion. Discussion of the style manual can only lead to improvements in it.
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template). I cannot find any discussion on the creation of this type of article in the discussion archives. Thanks/
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Thanks for your note; agreed. I think we need to focus on what abbreviation will suffice for this non-SI unit,
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Hey, I have an idea. A lot of people steal money, so let's realign the law to reality and make it legal, yes?
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For easy reading I think we should always use "year" without mentioning "a" or "y" at all (i.e. "Mt/year").
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inherently POV. (I'm not a Bible scholar by any stretch, but who are we to say that a deity has a gender?)--
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I can see the utility in some places, but I think this should be something left up to user preferences. I
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Noted. Perhaps the current version can be pruned or clarified to the original edit by Jmabel and not be
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would do if there's doubt, this would appear odd in combination with SI or other abbreviations (e.g.,
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If a table is used for layout, do not use any structural markup for the purpose of visual formatting.
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seems to me a bit like overkill as well, although I don't know if I could say exactly why this is.
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be absurd to turn a measurement such as 1,002mm into 1.00m if you were comparing it with 998mm.
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Yes, but placing actual "headered" sections into colums is a new idea, as far as I'm aware.--
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is acceptable; I think the topic, though, has mushroomed into one which concerns usage where
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I don't like it, apart from the mentioned problems, I just think it doesn't look as good.
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I dislike the columns, and if they are done, they need to be done in css; not tables. ā€”
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Retain leading zeros, ie use 0.67m rather than .67m (but consider also using 670mm).
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Is there a specific example of an article where links in headings are a good idea?
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The space is important as 50m often means 50 million whereas 50 m means 50 metres.
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might be ambiguous ... ISO standards notwithstanding. In any case, a wikilink (Mt/
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What are your thoughts on the use of columns to position sections side-by-side?
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Thousands are clearer if separated by commas, ie 7,500kg rather than 7500kg.
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per year (Mt/a)' as first use of the abbreviation. Seems good enough to me.
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I really think this isn't a good idea. Columns to list items (like links)
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If that is the consensus, fine. However, I contend the edition actually
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I think I agree with Violetriga's suggestion that columns be used only
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Both "50m" and "50 m" are wrong. The correct form is "50 m".
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have to be repositioned if the sections are substantially changed.
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is common in German scientific literature, so it is included in
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My opinion is that we should allow it within a section (as per
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Would you look at that, WP eats up the space automagically!
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Quantities and Units, Part 1: Space and Time, ISO 31-1:1992
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if you didn't already have a very good idea from context.
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suggests 'a' too, I find now after looking around a bit.
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Most readers are not familiar with any abbreviation for
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Is 'a' the best abbreviation for year as in 'Mt/a'?
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Is 'a' the best abbreviation for year as in 'Mt/a'?
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