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logical quotations - why treat a space which wasn't part of the original quote differently to a punctuation mark - where's the logic there? No, the MOS is no "how to" guide. Rather than being of help to users, it seems to me that this kind of stuff's being here is an impediment. "How to" should be on "how to" pages. The place would be made much easier to navigate if everything is in its place. Instead we're thinking "Now, where was it I saw that peice of 'how to'?" and we've got the basic shape of it in our head but it's shaped differently on the page where it belongs and well, who knows, it could be anywhere. So, both points - burn 'em.
948:. Your proposal is more guidance-oriented, so needs to be more prescriptive. As per some other parts of MOS (Images, Invisible comments, identity) there are areas where the indicative is too rigid like your opening phrase here, maybe less so (to be fair) for things like anglicised spellings, which was possibly a hasty example. The almost exclusive use of the indicative for the better part of MOS really jarrs with me; maybe that's another discussion, maybe (another) one I missed :o/ sorry I missed your earlier one. The thing is basically good, why not post it up and we can always copy edit later.
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way, although (for the same reason) I'd stick to using the usual imperative/subjunctive style, rather than the evidential, eg: "Anglicised spellings are used", which is better as "Use anglicised spellings". The opening phrase should be "Use foreign words sparingly", not "Foreign words are used sparingly". There are some other, minor edits I would make but that's the biggie.
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My issue with that as written is that it's written like a hard and fast requirement but it uses "long," a matter of opinion. This can lead to confusion as to how long is long. Maybe come up with a rough number of words for "long"? Either that or change "it is not in boldface" to "it is not required
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Christoph, your comments are offensive and needlessly polemical. I for one am not a lazy editor. Nor is Tony, who as we see just now is, despite his long experience as an editor, calling for guidance on how to implement “, ”, ‘, and ’. Most editors have no idea how to do this at all conveniently. And
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as the apostrophe; but as the MoS is mostly made by lazy authors thinking about themselves first this has not and will not achieve consensus. Luckily, neither does your proposal. We do use typographic dashes and many other lingual versions of WP prefer and use typographic quotation marks of different
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is silent on the matter, but the printed guide (not the online) uses such a space itself. I made an enquiry to the editors, who replied that they endorsed the typographical practice of inserting such a space, but had no plans to incorporate guidance about it, on the ground that it was indeed a matter
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The insertion of some sort of a space between adjacent quotation marks is absolutely standard. Look closely at virtually any material from a reputable publisher, in which a fixed and non-breaking space, perhaps a so-called thin space or something even narrower, is inserted as a matter of routine. But
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Just to clarify (now that I have it clear myself!) – the indicative sounds right when we're referring to hard/fast grammatical rules or accepted dictionary/encyclopedia academic protocol ("loan words do not require italicisation") but sounds wrong when we're referring to a
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the passive voice. The passive voice leaves out the actor in an action, and as such, it can tend to leave out noteworthy information. Therefore, I think this item really intends to say that you should examine your writing for statements made in the passive voice because they can sometimes leave out
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The point being that is not used to indicate changes but to indicate that this is how it was in the original. As for your two points, Tony, I couldn't agree more. I see no reason to insert extraneous spaces into quotes. Indeed, this could, in a sense be seen as contradicting the guideline to use
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Thinking it over (yet) again, it has a lot to do with assertiveness, or at least sounding authoritative. I'd suggest using the command form wherever the indicative is less than unequivocal and/or some conditional element needs to be included. Dogmatic use of the indicative occasionally creates doubt
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Thanks, Mick, you've brought up an issue that has been buzzing around my mind, too. In editing the MoS thus far, I've noticed that the existing version uses (i) a mixture of three indicative expressions, and (ii) the instructional "must" and "should" and the imperative mood "Do this". It's (ii) that
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Good question. I guess I used boldface in the
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to use the passive. This arose, I think, in the naive belief that it helps to convey a sense of objectivity; but who is fooled that no one wrote the text or did the experiments? Apart from being tedious when used as a blanket formula for constructing sentences, it's often harder to read, taking more
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is a style guide” instead of “This style guide is known as …”. If the article title is an important term, it appears as early as possible. The first (and only the first) appearance of the title is in boldface, including its abbreviation in parentheses, if given. Equivalent names may follow, and may
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Essentially no policy change, a great deal clearer and less hot air: green lights on this one so far - here's one from me. I think it would make sense to make it a section: not only does it also involve spelling but it concerns such general things as when to use foreign terms. Also, I think this
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Bold is fine for these project pages where a longer point can be highlighted in the first word or phrase, making it easier to locate among all the others. The
Capital letters section reads much better than it used to. For consistency's sake, it's probably worth tweaking the other sections the same
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harder to type in. As things stand, we give no guidance on how to do that in our manual – whether in generating text (for editors) or in searching within an article (for everyone, even casual users). Yes, the relevant glyphs are there under the edit box, if you have the patience to find them, and
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Is the use of passive voice causing a problem on
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page. The discussion in question was not going anywhere. Its removal focused attention back onto real issues. You don't have to be an admin to do this. You don't even have to be logged in. But if you remove something that is useful, you might be reverted - almost certainly on a talk page as
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We shouldn't say anything about discouraging the passive voice here. Several editors already go around removing it — all or most of them are people whose first language isn't
English — because they've read some rule somewhere that passive is bad. The result of their editing is usually that the
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It's possible that I'm just confused as to this guideline, but it seems to me that "If the topic of an article has no name, and the title is simply descriptive—like
Effects of Hurricane Isabel in Delaware or Electrical characteristics of a dynamic loudspeaker—the title does not need to appear
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The primary goal of the MoS is to make texts please the readership, the authorship is only second. Therefore it does not matter whether it is harder for some to type typographic quotation marks. They do have easy key bindings on some computers, e.g. running Mac OS, and they are not that often
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I don't think so; I changed someone's list once, and got into big trouble, because it was in date order. Besides, lists of famous people shouldn't really even be in articles to begin with; they should be converted to prose (and they're usually not referenced, but that's another story ... )
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Still the issue of the ambiguity: is it mandatory, or if they're included they have to be parentheses etc.: "Native spellings in non-Latin scripts (such as Greek and
Cyrillic) are given in parentheses, and are not italicized, even where this is technically feasible.". It's unclear.
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writing deteriorates. Passive voice is fine depending on context and which part of the sentence you're seeking to emphasize, but it's usually impossible to make people who don't speak
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as to the "weight" a guideline carries, especially when there is a conditional element. The section you mention starts badly because of the conditional "if possible", which simply doesn't fit with the matter-of-fact indicative mood. In this case, whereas the command form works ok,
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of leaving the agent out. Blind application of the active voice, on the other hand, can lead to emphasis' being misplaced. Sure, such blind application is not what has been suggested but could, nonetheless, be the result of the addition of such rules (in some cases at least).
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of typography, not of marking up text. They seem not to be interested in the question as it affects HTML. I say this: let our guidelines require this space, because on most browsers and in most fonts the separate identity of the two quote marks is lost if it is omitted.
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certainly most readers have no awareness of the issue at all. As I have pointed out (in material that has just been deleted from the Manual and I am about to restore), if a reader searches for text known to include a quote or apostrophe using a straight version –
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If you think a certain passage of an article is poorly written, rewrite it. Let's not issue a (patently stupid) blanket ban on a perfectly acceptable verbal construction. And look, the author of that
Livejournal article even uses the passive voice to condemn it:
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is a debate...". However, when I unbolded the title there I was reverted and told that MoS mandates that it be bolded. My understanding of this guideline is that if an article title is general like that the title shouldn't be bolded. Am I missing something?
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I have removed a thread, you know which one I mean. It was achieving nothing but the amusement of a troll, who is now gone. If you disagree with this removal, don't bother asking me, just revert me. But I dearly hope y'all can see that it was without merit.
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Getting back to the foreign terms opener, maybe the mood isn't the issue, but the slightly wishy-washy term "sparingly", which really can't be made to be more assertive without using a command form, unless you use the last-resort "Knowledge (XXG)
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The agent (i.e. the actor in an action), is not necessarily left out by the use of the passive voice. If information is really worthy of note, then it will be included by a good author/editor regardless. Often the passive voice is used with the
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Thanks for your endorsement of the inline boldings. But I wish you'd raised the issue of the indicative versus imperative above, when I flagged it. So you'd have the Featured Article Criteria changed back to instructions ("should". etc)?
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I've used a combination of these three, but I see that my choice may have been uncomfortable in the example you gave; you may be right about that distinction between rules and convention. But ... take the first para in "Article titles":
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I've tried to rework this section. But I'm confused. Here are the existing and proposed versions. I'm sure I haven't got it right. In particular, I can't work out whether or not the existing version means that original non-Latin scripts
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as mostly a 'politically correct' euphemism (I personally disparage their use) has changed the meaning of the word itself. The point is that the meaning of a word is mutable and which to apply is necessarily a point of view in itself.
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2. Is it necessary to have those ugly dotted-line boxes for the examples of block quotes? I'm half inclined to get rid of these examples on the basis that the MOS is not a "how to" guide. For that, people can go elsewhere, surely?
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Thank goodness for that. He was being awfully prescriptivist about who could participate and how, for an account which has existed for less than two and a half months, and been blocked for incivility for two of those months! --
421:...or put another way, we should avoid the passive voice :-) At least, most editors insist on the active voice. An article whose sentences all use "to be" conjugations can be tedious to read. A book mark I have handy is
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words and often intruding in the middle of the sentence, disjointing the main items or planting central material at the end: "Many programs, including a, b and c, are run in the summer season by the university."
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and phrases that have common usage in English—Gestapo, samurai, esprit de corps—do not require italicization. A rule of thumb is: do not italicize words that appear in an English language dictionary.
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the question arises anew for HTML documents, and seems not to have had adequate discussion, or to led to good implementations around the place. Standard style guides are of little use:
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I referred to Linux Journal, not "Livejournal"...and the title of that article is clearly meant in jest as an example of passive voice...just as my subsection here was. What a riot!
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happen to be editing when you need them. And yes, there are codes for producing them. But they have to be used so frequently that they are still a significant inconvenience.
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Sometimes people (especially scientists) use the passive without reason. So not a hard rule, but gentle encouragement to use the passive only where it serves a purpose.
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one. Moving Wikimedia's developers is like trying to stop an ocean liner. So, how do I key in curly quotes and double quotes on a Mac? It would be very useful to know.
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say See also and other templates go at the top of the section, and I agree. The reader should know before digging in that there's somewhere else to go for more info.
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changing meaning from just a simple reference to a body part into an obscenity. Sorry but that was just the first top-of-head example and the first google hit.
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I am unsure whether it is the same on an English keyboard layout, but on my German one they are on Alt+2 / Alt+Shift+2 and Alt+# / Alt+Shift+# (Shift+2 being
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That solves the ugly boxes problem. Sic needs attention. So the quote marks remain, but bunched up? I think the example is a little over the top.
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